Handing Out Evidence for God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    I can meet you there. However, the Romans were not usually the kind of people to let someone live after a Crucifixion. If we can trust the bible he had a spear thrust into his side and water came out, a sign of death. His bones were not broken ( as per prophecy in the OT of what would happen to the Messiah. ) because they saw he was dead.

    To think one could have all that done to them and then sit in a cold tomb for 3 days without treatment is streatching it imo.. doubting Thomas put his hand in the wound on his side also. Plus the whipping and nails in hands a feet’s. I don’t know about you, but I am not surviving that.
     
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  3. BlueSky Registered Senior Member

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    This was good. >>>> https://www.gotquestions.org/why-three-days.html <<<

    Question: "What was the significance of Jesus being dead for three days?"

    Answer:
    There are several reasons it is significant Jesus was dead for three days before His resurrection. First, resurrection after three days of death proved to Jesus’ opponents that He truly rose from the dead. Why? According to Jewish tradition, a person’s soul/spirit remained with his/her dead body for three days. After three days, the soul/spirit departed. If Jesus’ resurrection had occurred on the same day or even the next day, it would have been easier for His enemies to argue He had never truly died. Significantly, Jesus waited several days after Lazarus had died before He came to resurrect Lazarus so that no one could deny the miracle (John 11:38–44).

    A second reason it was important for Jesus to be dead for three days was to fulfill biblical prophecy. Jesus personally claimed He would be dead three days (Matthew 12:40; 16:21; 27:63; John 2:19). Also, some point to Hosea 6:1–3 as a prophecy of the Messiah’s resurrection after three days: “Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence. Let us acknowledge the LORD; let us press on to acknowledge him. As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth.” This may also be the passage Paul refers to in 1 Corinthians 15:4 that Jesus “was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.”

    The three days were significant in other ways as well. Jesus died on a Friday, Nisan 14, the day when the Passover lamb was sacrificed. His death represents the death of a perfect, unblemished sacrifice on our behalf. His resurrection on the third day took place on the first day of the week, illustrating a new beginning and new life to all who trust in Him.

    So, why was it important for Jesus to be dead for three days before His resurrection? (1) So the unbelieving Jews could not deny that Jesus had truly been dead. (2) Because three days is what Jesus Himself prophesied. Aside from these two reasons, the Word of God does not explicitly state the reason for the necessity of three days between Jesus’ death and resurrection.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Again, people have had far worse traumas and lived. And Romans were pretty ignorant as to medical science.
    Perhaps not - but many people likely could have.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    absolute 100% pure honest verbal proof that everything must be true or they would not be discussing it

    just like 10 year olds arguing in the school yard
     
  8. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    A bit more evidence for God...
    ...Evidence Against Materialism.

    Character assasinations of this man would be such a reach and would be so pathetic, as to make my day.

     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure why - even if the claims in the video were true (see below) - that constitutes "evidence" for "god".

    Character assasination? Not really, although the man does have a specific agenda (deriving from his unshakeable belief), thus one can hardly take that video to be an objective look at the facts.
     
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Cool. The guy writes for the Discovery Institute, which preaches anti-evolution and creationism. Which means he's a professional liar.
     
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  11. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Not to me.
     
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  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Right. Wanting evidence for a belief doesn't support having no evidence. So why do you believe in something with no evidence?
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You missed out the word "alleged" from that sentence.
    So AFTER 3 days the (supposed) soul (supposedly) departs, yet Jesus (supposedly) arose ON the third day. Got it, that's proof enough for me...

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  14. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I believe in God, but also believe in the virtues of science. Wonder what that makes me.

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  15. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Gullible.
     
  16. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Thers lots of opinions about what God is... so first i woud have to know what you'r idea of God is.!!!
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Gotta disagree.
    wegs said "believe" not "assert as objective".

    We all have our beliefs. Beliefs do not need to be defended - unless brought to the table for analysis.

    Someone else may simply find certain evidence convincing enough for them - or they may simply take it on faith. Nothing wrong with that - again - as long as they don't try to assert it as objective.
     
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  18. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Beliefs should be based on evidence, unless they are of trivial importance. If Wegs' standards are so low, it's right to call it gullibility. One may certainly decline to defend a belief, but in this case I assert that's only because it can't be.
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I dont know that i have any beliefs.!!!

    Do you have a belief thats in any way similar to Wegs belief in God.???
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Still gotta disagree.
    I mean, it would be good if they were, but when it comes to philosophical matters - such as whether someone created us or what our purpose in life might be - sometimes these beliefs have to be founded on faith.
    Belief is what happens when you have to place your chips but don't have enough information to make a good bet.

    Obviously the above is just my opinion, but I think that labeling someone as gullible because their guesses result in a different answer than yours is disingenuous.

    See next response.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I do.

    I believe there likely is no God.

    That is to say: I do not state it objectively, as if other people are wrong for believing there is a God, simply that - if I were a betting man, and the Truth card were face-down in front of me, I would put my money on 'not existing'.

    That's a belief, but it is not an assertion. I can't really defend it except by appealing to a lack of evidence compelling to me.
     
  22. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Does that mean that you have a belief in God... its just not very strong.???
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. It means I have a disbelief in God - it's just not rigorously defensible.

    (Then again, my disbelief in unicorns is not rigorously defensible either.)
     

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