Has to be asked: Does anyone here believe Israel...

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  1. p-brane Registered Senior Member

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    For the record,

    Does anyone here believe Israel intentionally targets civilians in general, and women and children in particular?
     
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  3. chuuush Registered Senior Member

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    Good question! hehehehehe
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    No, but I do believe Hamas does because their rockets only strike family types of areas not where the military is camped out.
     
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  7. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    the only person i'm aware of in the mid east that did that was saddam.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to be the policy:

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053607.html

    Combined with reports where the IDF put many families from different homes together in one place, locked them up and then bombed the building, not to mention snipers targeting children as young as one year of age, I'd say, yes. The Israelis target civilians.

    But then, its not just war time, they have become used to doing it on a regular basis.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyIKyd2gqA

    As you can see, Palestinians have become quite courageous under occupation
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Any source for that "report"?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The article contradicts your premise that deliberate killing of Palestinian civilians is a matter of policy.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    You mean its normal to pound heavily populated areas with 2000 lb bombs and artillery? Especially those that you have locked tight into a seige with no way out?

    Its depraved indifference, is what it is. Israelis are going to the dogs as a people.
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I just realised you may be referring to the report of the execution of the family.

    Thats from ingaza

    http://ingaza.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/where-would-you-go/

    Thats the 35 bodies they found yesterday

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053947.html
     
  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    As usual, you avoid the point. Your link said that deliberate killing of civilians sometimes occurs outside the chain of command (illegally), and thus not a matter of Israeli policy.

    You seem to support the "resistance" actions of Hamas, but aren't they pounding civilians deliberately every day with rockets? Killing Israelis is justified for land, but similar actions are not justified in the name of defence?
     
  15. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    First, welcome back. Second, how do you think Israel should respond to the rocket attacks? Does not Hamas bear any responsibility for launching the attacks from civilian areas knowing full well that the inevitable Israeli response would kill innocent women and children?
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    So your source is a blog? ...Which includes on it's blogroll Electronic Intifada. Obviously unbiased.
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I would have accepted Hamas conditions for the extended truce.

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1228728273026

    They are still the same, lift the blockade, stop the attacks and ceasefire on the west bank.

    Are they too extreme?
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Except that they did find the bodies today. After it was reported in the blog. Of course, Israel could simply open Gaza to international media and get independent confirmation. But I have an idea, that is exactly what they want to avoid. Dead men give no evidence and what media doesn't see, no one can prove.
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, war is an ugly thing, the Palestinians seem to think they can fight one and not get hurt.

    Finding bodies doesn't confirm your story.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    35 locked bodies in a bombed house, including women and children? Yeh, not the IDF style at all.
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Jesus, that's a low bar.

    Hamas is said to be intentionally killing women and children when it doesn't know where its rockets are going, and kills a half dozen people (of any kind) by chance.

    Israel is absolved of intentionally killing women and children when it aims a bomb at a school full them and kills dozens.

    The fact that what you describe as Israeli response is indeed "inevitable" means that Israel is morally bankrupt, and needs to change its ways.
     
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  22. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    If you mean "The Israelis select targets with the goal of killing women and children," then no. If you mean "they intentionally target areas with the goal of killing Hamas miltants even though they know that women and children will also be amongst the casualties," then yes.

    Targeting civilian areas is intentional, not a "mistake," but the real culprit is Hamas, who not only attack Israeli civilians, but also target that Palestinian civilians when then they decided to launch attacks from there. The immorality of the decision to use your own people as human shields is not washed away when the other side decides it has to act despite the presense of non-combatants.
     
  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    They give out the names of the "militants" they killed so far?
     
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