"Hello, is there anybody in there...?" A call to pagans, pantheists, and assorted...

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  1. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I assume nothing, inanimate is the standard.
     
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  3. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    In other words 'Do I believe that most scientists consider glaciers non-living?'
     
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  5. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    That is your assumption.
     
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  7. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Well.. if you are going to pick and choose what to belief of science..

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    It is quite clear that life is defined by it's cellular structure.
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No it isn't.
     
  9. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    And further science has been expanding what it includes in the animate and the sentient. Was it wrong before? Yes, by its own more recent acknowledgements and conclusions.
     
  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Like what ?
     
  11. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    It is clear to you. Obviously I am critical of scientific definitions. You could at least admit the possibility that scientific knowledge might be limited in this area. Nothing provisional about your sense of truth, I guess.
     
  12. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Lichens, bacteria. A couple example of things that are found to be alive.
    Animals are now considered to have emotions, consciousness, and intentions. They were not 50 years ago.
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    What is your definition of life ?
     
  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    They fit the definition always.
     
  15. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    They were not considered life - in the first case - or conscious subjects - in the second case. In fact with the latter case your career could be in jeopardy for saying that animals had emotions and intentions.
     
  16. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have a link to that ?
     
  17. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes John, do have a look at the definition YOU provided:

    5: marked by much life, animation, or activity : swarming <streets alive with traffic>

    So John, even streets can be considered 'alive.'

    Please stop being such an idiot.
     
  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Actually When Elephants Weep gives a wonderful overview of this issue. You and I may disagree about what is and what is not alive, but I get the sense we both share a sense of wonder and interest in animals. I think you would love this book. The long introduction goes into great detail, with footnotes, etc. about the changes in the ways scientists have viewed animals. The rest of the book is anectdotal about animals.
     
  19. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I will look it up sometime, thanks for the tip

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  20. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    :wtf:
     
  21. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yea, what do you do.. Tht1gy ?

    Well ?

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  22. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    I did not say 'this thing' or 'that thing' is evil. I said I don't believe in evil. What you can infer from what I have said is that the 'dead paradigm' enables malevolence.
    But even that can be seen as an extreme. I don't consider all who buy into the 'dead paradigm' malevolent. Thoughtless maybe, Close minded, or ...
    Folks who ravage the earth for resources do so largely because they see the planet as a chunk of rock spinning in space that as a whole is dead.
    Well, the earth is alive, it breathes, things grow, it has life.
    Let's try this analogy using 'As above, so below' to get us there: You and I are alive, (well I am, at least,lol) all of you is 'alive'. You wouldn't say I'm alive but my cells are not. Well go down further your chromosomes and DNA do the whole reproduction thing ok they are alive. All of you is alive. Still with me? Well the molecules and atoms that make up that which is called Enmos are also ALIVE. If they weren't how could you be.

    Is a grain of sand 'alive'? That depends on your point of view. It's not going to go out and party, get drunk and get another grain of sand pregnant or anything.
    But it is imbued with the same 'energy contained' that makes up all of matter. And that energy is "Life"

    As far as Satan is concerned: As you know I believe in the existence of the soul. I also believe that the soul can/does transcend death. I further believe that if enough souls/people believe in or put energy into a concept, like Satan, that it is entirely possible for a malevolent soul to say "Hey that sounds like fun. I'll go do that" Which is to say If there is a being called Satan, he's of the christians doing. They conjured him. And by direct implication, they and the jews conjured Jehovah. Of course Jehovah maybe a soul conjured by Abraham or Moses, and they were unable to contain or control him.

    I do not think Jehovah is the creator.

    I have a song that starts:
    Satan and God were buddies back before time began,
    when Satan walked up to God and said "Jehovah I have a plan.
    I can prove my powers of persuasion, I'm just as good as you.
    So let's roll the dice and play the game, the loser buys the brew."
     
  23. Tht1Gy! Life, The universe, and e... Registered Senior Member

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    I cut that fucking human down! At the knees.

    And water the tree.

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