Holocaust ... and other forms of Denial

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  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Nothing magic about it. You do know how these tests are calibrated, right?
    Do you see what you are missing there? Hint: you can't post comparative measurements of any of that stuff on the people taking IQ tests.

    In the absence of measurement, we bet on likelihood: My money says 1970s black children in the US had significantly higher average exposures to lead than 1970s Chinese children, American white children, and European Jewish children. Would you take that bet - risk actual money on your delusions?

    Here's another bet: if exposure to lead does not impair Chinese children's brain development as much as it does other people's, on average, the reason is genetic.

    Meanwhile: the thread topic.
     
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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure it does. You are denying science. Worse still, without a shred of good evidence, you support the claim that 'white racism' is affecting the IQ of black people living in the USA. Sure, you have no idea what the IQ of black people in the USA should average at, and therefore you have no idea if the IQ of black people is in any way negatively impacted by the thoughts of some white people. It probably isn't affected in the least.

    Your blaming the attitude of white people for the socioeconomic status of black people (but not yellow people, oh no, not them - or white Jewish people, no no no.... not them either) is reminiscent of the holocaust in the way lower IQ white Christian Germans blamed higher IQ white Jewish Germans, and then set about killing them.

    Lumping people into a group due to the color of their skin (in this case 'white'), something they have no choice in, then blaming them, this is classic racism. This makes you, by definition, a racist.

    Those of you not living in the USA, may not fully grasp where iceaura is coming from vis-a-vis Critical Race Theory. It probably appears a little odd that he ignores all data suggesting average IQ of any people (regardless of melanin content) is unaffected by the predilections of some white people and is in fact mostly biological. How iceaura claims the entire continent of Africa is unsuitable towards finding an average IQ of black people. No no no... nowhere in thousands of square miles across diverse people, cultures, ethnicities, nowhere is it possible. See, iceaura is a Progressive Socialist.

    They're racists.

    Here, let me link to a professor in Texas: Texas A&M Professor says white people may have to be killed.

    Curry teaches “Radical Black Philosophies” and “Social and Political Philosophy.” He advocates “Critical Race Theory.” This is a black nationalist version of Marxist Critical Theory. Among other things, Curry says that black people should talk openly about murdering white people. In a youtube interview, he says that the murder of white people may be necessary for “black liberation.”

    Welcome to the oxymoronic world of Progressive Socialism. They are insane. Speaking of Progressivism, did you know around 12,000 infants starved to death or otherwise died in that Progressive Paradise Venezuela last year? Did you know Swedenstan has 53 no-go zone ghettos, just like in the good ole' USA. Well, if you didn't, that's okay, what you need to know is all of this is the fault of 'white racism'.

    LOL

    The fact is, most low IQ people in the USA are white people.
    The fact is, most low IQ people in the USA are poor - and are white people.
    Unless 'white racism' is affecting 'white people's IQ', we can safely assume their IQ, like that of everyone else, is mostly biological.
    The fact is, high-IQ individuals have an advantage in our economy, just a tall people have an advantage in the NBA.
    The fact is, high-IQ kids progress through Government Schools with ease, finding openings and opportunities in higher education and entrance into lucrative markets where regulatory capture is strictly enforced by the police state ensuring their prosperous life as rent-seekers. Medicine, the 'healing' of people, is massively controlled by the police state, and not because the State gives a damn about your health. It's all about the money (note: if you don't smoke, plan on being killed by medical error).

    The fact is, progressive socialism, like all forms of Authoritarianism, is destroying the socio-economic opportunities of low-IQ people of any color in the USA. This is like kicking a person when they are down. Not only do high-IQ people have the advantage of high-IQ, but they go 10 steps further and use the State against the weakest (mentally) of society through licensing scams, regulations, and out-right testing that favors them.

    The exact opposite of a free-market. Which, they have taught the low-IQ people to fear.
    How sick. It's disgusting.

    The fact is, the west has passed the peak, not only are we not creating enough high-IQ people to replace those that are alive today, we're paying low IQ people to have more children. Maybe that's okay, given the sad use of IQ in today's age. The way forward for us is downward. Thanks Progressives, destroying societies one at a time, so you don't have to.

    America is Dead
    Long Live the USA
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Like other absurd deniers, you keep posting these elementary errors of reasoning.
    Why would I need to know what an average IQ should be, to observe that childhood lead exposure will "negatively impact" it?
    I haven't even addressed any of that, in this thread. Not the attitude, not the "status", none of it. The only thinking or attitude I've addressed is that of the absurd denier, such as yourself denying Jim Crow.
    In Michael's world, only the racism of Progressive Socialists is capable of injuring black people. The racism of Jim Crow has no effect.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    This is thread relevant. The denial of common physical reality that defines the absurd denial has to be defended, and one way is to transform the entire matter into one of thoughts and opinions and so forth - so white racism is described as an attitude, the thoughts of some people, not the operations of institutions, the physical events of recorded history, the actions of the people with the attitude.

    If physical reality itself is taken off the table, denial of some aspects of it becomes much easier.

    Our current attorney general, for example, is not injuring black people by abetting racist actions backed by the power of the Federal government, but only by whatever influence his personal racist attitude (if any) has on those black people affected by it. Only his opinions and attitude are admitted into awareness - his oversight, policies, actions, and their consequences, are refused recognition.

    We also see that with AGW denial - the attempt to confine the discussion to a matter of bias in the mass media, political allegiances of one kind or another, flaws of character.
     
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  8. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    LOL

    Firstly, because that's the only way you can know if there is a significant effect of lead exposure on IQ. All humans are exposed to some levels of lead. Thus you have to demonstrate that the exposure is 'significant' and for long enough periods of time, to cause a change in the IQ of a population of people. Do you have good evidence that lead exposure in the USA reduced the IQ of black Americans, but somehow excluded yellow and white Americans?

    Post the peer reviewed studies linked to their abstracts on PubMed.

    Secondly, if you then support the racist claim that 'white racism' (a weasel phrase) is to blame for the lead exposure. Well, this is a second claim that will also require good evidence. So, post that good evidence.

    Thirdly, the ONLY way to know if the IQ of black Americans is being negatively affected by 'white racism' is to know what the control IQ is. Want to know how to get that number? Simple, for a control you could measure the IQ of the black children who have been adopted by white parents (here). There's your control. AND get this, you don't even have to 'control for the womb' (LOL) because that's not a part of the claim. The claim is with regard to the mental activity of white people. As if magically the thoughts of 'white people' can lower the IQ of yellow people. Well guess what iceaura, there's ZERO evidence that the mental predilections of white people affect the IQ's of white, yellow or black people outside of outright beating children. Yes, corporal punishment (which 85% of black American parents employ) has been shown to lower IQ. So does smoking crack while you're pregnant. The study linked above will control for these effects.

    Oh, but I'm sure because you're not getting the number you want, you'll come up with some reason why that study cannot be used. Kind of like a AGW skeptic - I mean, gee, we haven't controlled for the womb of the birth mothers! Even though the IQ matches up with the average IQ of the population.... no no no! Then how am I going to get to have coffee and complan that White People did it!!!

    LOL

    Are there some Jim Crow laws in effect? Or are you talking about half a century ago? Half a century ago Japan was still rebuilding cities nuked by us.

    Progressive Socialism OTOH is in full effect today. It fits hand in glove with Government Schooling to punish low-IQ people.

    You know, in the land of the 'free', where you can invite your friends children over and have BBQ chicken at the pool, but good gawd damn if you opened a BBQ grill and asked ADULTS to pay, and you didn't get your liscence like a good little Citizen / Property of the State, you can get shot in the head, for the good of the roads. Because we live in the freest nation on Earth. Except we're no longer a nation, and we're f*cking anything but free. The USA is about as far from the ideals that America was founded on as it could be. Two totally different people.
     
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  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Corporal punishment was used by just about everyone less than a generation ago and many still do, especially conservatives. progressive socialists are the ones who tend to not do this as much. have you been smoking crack?

    iq is lower due to bad nutrition, bad education (not just in classroom) and the fact, humans still carry very base and primitive caveman urges which use brute force or violence or deception to solve a problem or gain an advantage because it is easier. all these things such as cunning, lies, deception, hypocrisy etc are not conducive to truth, now is it? yet it permeates society just as well as the truth does and those lies are also employed by those who are not progressives or socialists but it can lend itself to survival or gain, just the same. it doesn't matter how high your iq is, if someone clubs you over the head and kills you just the same, they are the evolutionary winner. yeah, nature is not ideal.
     
  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    During the next 100 years, we're going to learn enough about the human genome to ensure all children are born with the equivalent IQ of 115 - 125. As for phenotypes like skin tone, hair, eye color, facial features, all of these will be modifiable so that anyone can have any combination of 'markers' used today to identify 'races'. At this time, I wonder what you Progressives will complain about?

    Who knows? Maybe you'll just stop breeding and do us all a favor and die out? Or maybe we'll find a way to secretly eliminate you from the gene pool?

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  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    First, we agree to the effect on IQ. So, within the 15 - 45% of IQ that is not genetic, it can be lowered through hitting.

    Secondly, I don't doubt that conservatives hit their kids more often. Maybe. Progressives may even have a higher IQ due to this? Do you have evidence of this?

    That doesn't negate the conclusion that progressive socialism is destroying the lives of low IQ people through regulatory capture. Chinese have high-IQs. Communism / Socialism destroyed their society. Having a high-IQ is probably required to create and maintain an advanced society, however to create prosperity for the most people we need sound money (free-markets) to ensure a proper price mechanism, laws that protect property and uphold contract, and freedom/individual liberty (which is ensconced by the first two). Socialism violates private property, destroys money by replacing it with fiat currency (which it backs by taxing/stealing labor) and is anything but a free society, it's a hyper-regulated society.

    If given a chance, low-IQ people can create prosperity, and in numerous areas of the economy, easily outcompete high-IQ people. Are they going to go head to head in mathematics or physics? No. But due to their lower starting place, and a lower standard of living, poor people (many of whom are low-IQ) can outcompete in the areas where they may accel, such as cooking food, building, repairing, etc...

    The fact is, Progressive Socialism should be called ANTI-socialism. In reality, it's State Authoritarianism. AND it's no coincidence that Progressive Socialists are demanding that everything from freedom of speech, to the choice of work, be controlled by the State.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i personally don't like politics. i am more a philosopher. what i have noticed is that there tends to be a black/white view or understanding of what motivates people.

    this is where even so-called scientists and thinkers have blindspots. survival of the fittest works in the animal kingdom (btw darwins' iq was around 130ish, he wasn't that smart) in a more pure and honest fashion because it is based on mere physical survival, so the faster, stronger as well as more clever and cunning, the better your survival chances. this outcome is totally legit and deserving.

    BUT when it comes to humans with their more developed brains and when the playing field is now NOT just mere physical survival but just advantage, the rules of the game peculiarly do not apply the same. People have the awareness to subjugate or sabotage even what they know is better so they can have an advantage. this results in those who are regressive, rather than progressive to moving forward as well. Humans also have a much stronger awareness of jealousy and envy. People can use lies, dishonesty, brutality, and deception in service of destroying anything they percieve as competiton, even if that competition is of better quality or exactly because they are aware it is, if that means it would leave them behind or not as privy to the honeypot.

    This is why when it comes to human societies, you have both regressive and progressive elements, this also can be seen in the trash elements of society and i'm not just referring to people. a famous example would be tesla vs edison, luckily edison trying to hinder, suppress or blot him out didn't pan out totally but this dynamic happens often underneath the veil of society. people are motivated by their own survival and benefit rather than evaluating the quality of themselves and what they have to offer to the world and that is why you don't always get the fittest or the best. it is not black/white. you also get con-artists, predators and theives etc as successors also. the only reason by default society isn't aware of this as much is because if you destroy the competition or tarnish it, well, who is to know? the standard in play is all they know.
     
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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, it isn't.
    Significant effects of Jim Crow, legal and otherwise, are not deniable without absurdity.
     
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    i was just thinking about how humans have beaten and hit their kids, even viciously and regularly and even animals have the better sense not to abuse their children. insane species.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    IQ exculpation is your argument, you post the required evidence of control for lead exposure and all the rest. It makes no difference to me.

    You would still have to deal with Jim Crow denial, a separate matter and the only aspect of direct interest here.
    That is not so. Why do you post such simple and blatant errors?
    It's the other way around - the only way to know what the "control IQ" is would be to adjust the measured scores for an exhaustive list of measured influences. Right now, we don't even have the list - apparently income inequality has an effect, even, as it has on height, and nobody I know of has found out how.

    Meanwhile, the nature of the absurd denialist is further illustrated:
    Uh, right, cooking and building and repairing - areas where low IQ is no handicap. And basketball, football, baseball - sports are for dummies.

    Bigots are really a type , aren't they. Is racial bigotry itself, in modern circumstances, a type of absurd denial, or does it merely seem so because of the correlation?
     
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    paradoxically, if society can advance to the point competition of win/lose (games aside) is not so much a issue, it would produce better standards because people would be focused more on what they are good at and perfecting that and what they like versus focusing energy negatively on destroying competition which breeds dysfunctional and negative coping traits.
     
  17. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The only 'Jim Crow' laws today favor black Americans at the exclusion of yellow Americans (and white). As exampled by the race-based criteria used when setting SAT scores to enter higher education. Or the lower standards set to work for the fire department or as a police officer.

    Oh, and get this, there is no evidence that Jim Crows Laws from half a century ago effects the IQ of yellow Americans (or black Americans) today.

    So you'd advise someone with an IQ of 85 is to try for professional basketball or football? Really? I hope you have no contact with any young person making a life decision. Sure, if the kid is a gifted baseball player, and gets a scholarship to University, go for it. Chances are, they don't have a low IQ. But, if they do, okay - good luck to them.

    That's NOT going to work for the other 99.999999999% of people with a low IQ, say around 85. They need good advice. And my advice to them would be to work in an area where they can succeed. In a free market, it is my opinion, poor low IQ Americans would outcompete high IQ people in selling food, working repairmen and women like plumbing, automechanics, machinists, carpenters, etc... because they have a lower standard of living and can undercut the competition.

    WHAT? These jobs not good enough for your pretty little fingers? Not flashy enough like an NBA superstar? Or maybe you want to lie to them and tell them they can be anything they set their minds to, like an astronaut. Yes, that's what they should go for with an IQ of 85, the NBA or NASA astrophysicists.

    LOL

    Again, try not having too much contact with impressionable minds

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    LOL
    Yes, you are a certain type.

    ROTFLMFAO

    YOU support the RACIST claim that 'white racism' (which is to say white people) is (magically) lowering the IQ of black people. You haven't a shred of good evidence in support of this. And when confronted with very good evidence demonstrating your racist ideas are dead wrong, you double down like the Science Denier you are. No different than a AGW-denier and demand we control for the birth-womb.

    LOL

    This is the claim your support: The predilections of WHITE people, somehow (magically) lowers the actual IQ of black people in the USA.

    News Flash - THAT'S classic RACISM.

    Thus, it is the fault of 'white people' as to why 'black people' have average IQ's around 85 and are in the lowest socioeconomic class in the USA.

    Yup, it's all the fault of 'white people'. Nevermind that a LIFETIME of parenting has no significant effect on IQ (which is mostly biological). Nevermind that adopted black children by white families saw an increase in IQ as children (as all studies have shown for all 'colors' of children raised in good environments) only to see their adult IQ level out at an average of around 85 - which is the average adult IQ of most black Americans living in the USA (this phenomenon have been shown for all children of all colors - everywhere it's been tested, including E. Asians adopted by Europeans who have average IQ of 105 without ANY cultural connection to E. Asia). Which makes sesnse, IQ is mostly biological. There's literally MOUNTAINS of evidence showing IQ is mostly genetic and is extremely resistant to change.

    Nope, not for the racist Science Denier. For the RACIST Science Deny there's only one answer and only one answer: It's 'white people's fault'.

    LOL

    Magical White People Thinking.... (and maybe some rainbow Unicorn barf)

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    Yeah, nevermind it was White Christian Americans who in a SINGLE lifetime, ended 5000 years of human Slavery. Nope, Whites are the evil ones. Everything that's wrong in this world is the White Man's Doing. I mean, we'd all be singing kumbaya if it weren't for those pesty White Christian Men making everything in the world so shitty with their magical 'white racism'.

    LOL

    Did you know you are so typical of a Leftist Socialist, and by "typical" I mean "typical", so much so in fact that even the Chinese use derogatory words to describe people who think like you do? Baizuo written 白左 litterally 'white left'.
    LOL
    Which makes sense, on average, E. Asians have higher IQs

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    Which explains why E. Asians make 20K more a year than the 'White Patriarchy' in the USA. After living under Socialism for a few generations, they're not too keen on your idiotic ideas of Progressive Socialism (not to mention the empiricism of the effects of Socialism on society).

    "White Left" too funny

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    I give Progressives another decade and they'll be wearing idiotic patches on their sleeves and looking to round up white people (and yellows for good measure). I mean, if it's TRUE that evil White People are literally destroying the IQ of your people - why, then killing them is self-defense, just ask that moronic Texas A&M "Professor".



    Too bad for you, because the cold hard Empiricism of Science will sweep away your Critical Race Theories like it has all other defunct moronic theories. AND as Western countries become poorer - and we will, we'll no longer be able to afford to indulge in nonsensical thinking and return to pragmatism to (maybe) rebuild a society based on object scientific facts. And if not, then we'll sink into obscurity to be replaced by higher-IQ people who do. My guess is, over the next 200 years, the later is the most likely. Best start learning Mandarin now

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    So? Is that why you deny their continuing influence, along with that of the rest of Jim Crow?
    Yeah, there is. You posted some, I posted some, you made a really big deal out of yours - all that stuff about inherited IQ, remember?
    So is diet, lead exposure, stress and sleep effects, even stereotype threat - the response to all that stuff is genetically mediated. What's your point?
    Bigots are really a type, aren't they - they sign on for the whole shmear.

    People who think plumbing and the like are jobs stupid people can do for cheap are the main reason we have to have codes and licenses and such for plumbers - the rest of us don't want to wade around in feces and breathe sewer gas all day and have to boil our drinking water, because paperwork
    drones like you haven't got enough brainpower to blow their goddam noses.
    Market capitalism is my preferred setup for distribution of consumer goods, most wealth production, etc, - basically, anywhere a market can be set up, the freer the better. I regard the ability to set up and maintain a market capitalist system as a hallmark of civilization and a key bulwark against tyranny. Is that what you meant by "Leftist Socialist"?
    No, it isn't. Nothing about predilections (or attitudes, etc, your earlier denial terms) appears in my posting. That is the kind of contortion and revision that absurd deniers have to employ to hide the absurdity of their denial when confronted.

    There's nothing magic about Jim Crow or its legacy. Lead exposure in childhood is not a "predilection". These are matters of physical and historical reality, and that's what the absurd denier is denying. And that's my claim here - you are denying Jim Crow and its effects.
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    A bigot would support the claim: White Racism/White People is affecting/lowering the IQ of black People in the USA without a shred of good evidence this is true. And no, a store front for omega-3 is not good evidence. And no, a few studies in rats is not good evidence for this particular claim. Good evidence for rats - not for this claim. And no, you have not shown good evidence that white racism has in any significant way done anything to alter the IQ of black people.

    None. You're supporting an unfounded, unsubstantiated claim based simply on race.
    This is called, by definition, racism.

    As a matter of Scientific fact/empiricism, there's very good evidence that black children adopted by white parents, they have an increased childhood IQ, and that IQ begins to level out such that is peaks at the average for black adults raised in black families. Which happens to be around 85 in the USA according to the scientific evidence.

    You know: Objective Science. Empiricism.

    Given the Science suggests that most IQ is biological, and given even parenting-types doesn't appear to affect adult IQ, it's reasonable to conclude black IQ is not in anyway affected by 'white racism' and is perfectly normal.

    There's nothing 'wrong' with having an IQ of 85. There's nothing 'superior' about being born with the genes for height. It's simple biochemistry. What is wrong, what is immoral, is supporting the claim 'white racism' affects the IQ of black people in the USA without any good evidence.

    This is called racism.

    You're engaged in it.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    No, the reason we have codes and licenses is because this is the natural progression of regulatory-capture which goes hand in glove with rent-seeking. AND, if low IQ people are unable to work as a plumber, in a free-market, then this is perfectly fine. I offered it as a suggested profession someone with low IQ may consider. What I would NOT suggest they consider is astrophysicist for NASA.

    Of course, 'anywhere a market can be set up'. Sure, which happens to be nowhere. Not food, not housing, not medicine, not policing, not mail delivery, not health insurance, not even who the hell you want to marry. Every little thing has to be regulated and taxed for the good of the roads because you use the society.

    Progressive Socialism / White Left
     
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    I have listed a half dozen direct and established mechanisms, and you have provided another. And that's in spite of the irrelevance - Jim Crow remains obvious and real no matter what black people's IQs are.
    No, that conclusion does not follow and is not reasonable. You are attempting to deny Jim Crow, and these poor arguments are evidence of the mental crippling suffered by absurd deniers.
    Which makes having to impose them, due to the ignorance and anti-social behavior of people like you, regrettable. But you leave us no choice. It's a public health matter. We can't have our children growing up in a diseased shithole because cubicle drones enamored of their silly IQ tests think plumbing is something stupid people can do any way they want to for cheap.
    Nonsense. Markets are (in my opinion) the best setup for food and housing and corporate security and lots of mail delivery, they also work well for some aspects of health insurance, and they have nothing to do with marriage.

    And absurd denial - in your case of Jim Crow - is still the topic, no matter how much you try to to squid-ink the matter.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You listed a few studies done in rats that suggest perhaps rats may have some neurological deficit when their diets severely compromised. Oh, and you listed a storefront.

    That's NOT good evidence in support of this claim: "White racism" is affecting/lower the IQ of black Americans in the USA.

    You have not provided ANY good evidence that the average IQ of black people living in the USA is lower or higher or no different from a control group. Whereas there's very good evidence that the average IQ of the black population in the USA is in reality, completely normal, exactly what it would be had the Earth never given rise to those evil 'white people'. How do we know this? Because of numerous studies, including adoption studies, show time and time again that yellow, white and black people have average IQs that match the wider population, not their adopted parents - without ANY significant deviation.

    This good evidence strongly suggests that 'white people' are having ZERO impact on ANY population of people's average IQ in the USA (including their own children's).

    And in case anyone missed iceaura's racist support for the racist claim, here's the claim that he supports: White Racism is lowering the IQ of black people living inside the USA. Essentially iceaura is claiming a form of genocide is taking place right here, right now in the USA and is being perpetrated by 'white people' and their 'white racism' against 'black people' to a degree that is so heinous, so monstrous, it's actually destroying the developmental neurobiology of an entire population of children across the USA.

    This claim is the at the level of a War Crime.

    Of course, there's not a shred of good evidence this is in any way shape or form true. But that's okay, because the 'evil white people' meme is in vogue. Which is why we see moronic Progressive Marxist Professors suggesting it might be time to start 'killing white people'. Well, let's see how that works out. Sadly, some people are going to believe this idiotic claim that 'White racism' is affecting the IQ of black people - by lowering it, and will murder innocent white people, for this perceived genocide-level war crime.
     
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    "markets" is not that same as "free-markets". You support government regulated markets (regulatory-capture) and therefore the rent-seeking that thereafter ensues.

    Regulatory-capture is why our society / economy is in the total mess that it's currently in.

    It should be noted, to have 'regulated' markets, you need a government with enough money to enforce regulations through regulatory agencies, thus you need income tax, and fiat currency, and while it may not seem like it, in that direction lays never-ending phony wars and governmental NSA spying of the likes George Orwell hadn't dreamed.

    At the end of this road?

    Well, it's The Road To Serfdom. At the end lays the total destruction of society itself. In this case, Western society. Which, we are witnessing right now. Sure, it'll take 250 years before the last dying embers are extinguished, but this fire has been dying down for over a century. It's barely a glow now.

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    Which is okay, this is the history of humanity. Humans have been displacing other humans, even smarter ones, for yonks.
     
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