Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by S.A.M., Dec 22, 2009.
My academic citation for the term used:
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I'm not allowed to have a non western European perspective on the holocaust? Really? Its hate speech?
So good bye and thanks for all the fish. :wave:
“Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity”
Michel de Montaigne (French Philosopher and Writer. 1533-1592)
Is that his opinion?
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I'm sad because I used to love your posts. They were informative and they opened up ideas to me that I had never thought before. But then they got hateful. You talked and talked but never listened. You don't want to share ideas, you want to preach. Its shameful.
I'm sad because I used to love your posts.
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Is it hateful to oppose overt bigotry? Or should we just talk about it?
Hateful is a pretty overused term here and covers a multitude of sins. It seems to me that its applied rather arbitrarily and only in one direction. I am still the same person speaking my own mind. You can take what you like from that.
Depends on whether you oppose it in a malicious way.
However, you are an overt bigot in the first place, so you have no claim to be opposing such.
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Anyone who consistently fails to integrate new knowledge that conflicts with their existing positions (as S.A.M. has done countless times, for example with the question of what is commemorated by Holocaust museums) is, by definition, a bigot. This is not an argument from authority, but a simple matter of observation of facts and application of a simple definition.
So, call me whatever you like. It isn't going to make you less of a bigot, or fool anyone in that regard. Quite the opposite.
On the other hand, if you don't like being called a bigot, you always have the option of not being one. But it seems that the issue here is that, like most children, you want to have your cake and eat it too.
I recommend another Norman Finhelstein for you:
Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History
I fail to understand how objecting to a teacher claiming as fact something which is clearly not a fact amounts to supporting a "holocaust industry". The introduction into the conversation of this no doubt beloved term is misplaced, and only seems to serve S.A.M.'s own sense of moral superiority.
Probably because such actions are only seen where the ADL is active.
Then scholarly minded people should hope the ADL expands it's territory. The history deniers are all over the place. If it isn't the holocaust, it's evolution, or climate science, or geology.
Are we speaking about the same ADL?
Clearly you are not familiar with their views on the Armenian genocide. They oppose its recognition. Or their public face, Foxman does.
Meanwhile, they are all supporters of the racist state of Israel. Hardly encouraging.
I just checked their website, and they don't.
Oh have they stated their support for the Goldstone report and the civil rights of Palestinians?
Because the position on the Armenian genocide is public record:
Separate names with a comma.