Discussion in 'World Events' started by Saint, Jan 25, 2021.
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quoted wrong post sorry Billvon
It is ironic that you fail to understand that it is you and people like you who deny the reality of the problem, that has created the need to have those "global" restrictions, lockdown's and mandatory mask wearing.
rich people wont go bankrupt from covid
they will still be rich & still want to spend their money
smart restaurants would keep on their kitchen staff & do take away 5 star dining at 5 star prices
along with easy freezer meals for those same customers.
good chefs could knock out dozens of top quality 5 star quality 5 star priced customised freezable TV dinners
home(renovation) depot stores have been doing world record sales, along with grocery stores.
they have been keeping it as quiet as possible
so the money is still going around in the smart economy's
countrys with private health systems are showing how they have completely failed their citizens
that is the elephant in the room sitting on the baby crushing it to death
countrys with high levels of corruption have collapsed economically but no one wants to talk about that because soo many of the government are corrupt
their entire system runs on bribes so everyone is expected to be corrupt & normal business is run on bribes and corruption.
its quite fascinating.
hope modi kicks those protesting maharaja farmers asses
imagine how much food they are stopping from being grown by taking those tractors off the farms
none of them wearing masks
all of them are almost slave owners
with wage slave people working on their farms
its so disgraceful them riding around on their elephant tractors denying Indian people food then complaining they are not going to be as rich as they were before because their own corrupt power system will be turned into a democracy giving the small guy or girl the power to sell to someone other than them
the slave masters
i think modi is doing so well holding it all together.
i get a sense of culture type from you saying "life is tough, get fit or get dead" which is very common in peoples who have struggled through terrible times like war & extreme hardship.
but there is a distinct difference between those who have experience struggle
and those who are upper class who do not care about other people around them.
do you read on any science information about viruses and pandemics and infection of peoples with viruses ?
(..."how viruses live & evolve etc..." ?)
"incubation" is a science word used by scientists to describe the process where a virus is allowed to live continually & spread & evolve.
i am guessing you would not have been following the science on SAR'S CoV-2 ?
have you heard of the "new variants" issue ?
what is happening now is those places where the virus has been allowed to live & spread, is evolving at such a massively fast rate
the DNA of the virus is evolving millions of times
this is giving it the ability to change into something vastly more deadly
so while you think you are being practical & think only the lazy stupid sick fat people will die
the virus is evolving at such a fast rate that without scientists spending massive resources into developing vaccines
the evolving virus will evolve to over take human society's ability to fight it.
i am well aware some peoples ideologies and that they truly believe in such a terrible catastrophe of the human civilization
and want it to happen
and will help it happen in what ever way they can
and hope billions will die
yes i am well aware of the simple fact that many millions of people hope for that.
imagine what it would be like to live among thousands of dead & rotting human bodies everywhere polluting water supply's & all the air born diseases that would then spread.
modern society operates via high density city life dependent on monopolized systems of transport & supply
manufacturing relys on this same principal
the expression "im all right jack"
meaning "until "i/we" start to suffer directly there is no problem"
like middle eastern Muslim war refugees being ignored by middle eastern Muslim country's & people while the west falls over its self to provide houses food & medicine
and then those same Muslim middle eastern country's then criticizing those western country's for not giving more to those middle eastern Muslim war refugees
then mocking them
then labeling them as to blame & seeking to create and spread hate about them
shit is messed up in so many ways
yes... the hypocrisy shows no limitations...
"Darn it... if only I maintained social distancing as repeatedly recommended by thousands of medical professionals, I wouldn't have to be sitting in a wheel chair with a tube stuffed down my throat and my family wouldn't be facing the same deal"
Am I conflating the issue... perhaps a tad... but no one really knows what the long term prognosis is for any one who has had any degree of infection by this bug... no one!
It is called a novel virus for a reason and hearkening back to previous viruses and their outcomes just doesn't cut it...
From what I understand it is imperative that the viral load sustained by the community is reduced as a matter of urgency to avoid the advent of more aggressive mutations and apart from vaccines, social distancing and good quarantine provisions are the only way forward.
For example: ( my rant)
One of the big reasons why impoverished nations need to be helped with social distancing and vaccine regimes by 1st worlder's is to avoid the viral load in those nations generating some serious mutations. It is in every ones interests to do what ever we can to reduce the viral load in ANY society regardless of wealth and access. ( end of rant)
Your ranting is always warmly received & digested as scientific opinion
100 or more percentage agree (cynercistic humour at the anti science tin-foil-hat propaganda merchants)
long covid(as one example)[american culture wants the fast easy money single pay out, long covid doesnt play by those rules]
what is also an unknown is the micro changes in humans that will then evolve as humans breed
Zika was easy to see
with part of the babies head missing at birth it was a bit of an early give away
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who is to say SAR'S CoV-2 cant mutate into something like this but it skips a generation
it would bring modern civilization into a human sacrifice culture where human society would routinely sacrifice its babies in mass cull events to compensate.
the down stream effect on lost reproductive cycle would destabilize knowledge bases from being passed on from generation to generation
so intellect would go backwards
trades & services skills would be lost
those people not taking SAR'S CoV-2 seriously do not deserve to be included in the conversation or the decision making processes.
wiki site on Zika for anyone not up on it
how strange is life perspective concepts
looking at people like Bill Gates
The Gemini & Apollo teams & Manhattan teams etc
(building a weapon to destroy the world to save the world to be stared down by a tiny virus)
now staring modern civilizations collapse directly in the face in 2021 when theory was we would have colonized the moon by this time.
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I agree with your general statements but wish to extend a little if I may ( i am confident you already know what i am about to post...but will post any how)
You have stated quite correct in opinioning that "the vector of mutation is unknown and at this stage unknowable." and that it may possibly take the leap into human reproduction etc..aka Zika.
Perhaps it is worth considering that the current virus, even with out mutation has many unknowns as to infection, recovery ramifications and mutation of the virus is not necessary to raise concerns as the concerns already exist.
The news on the viral impact on pregnant women is currently in it's infancy but there are enough indicators to raise serious concerns. This also concerns more than just currently pregnant women when discussing virus and human fertility.
Prevention and mitigation are by far the best ways to deal with this issue for any one foolish enough to wager a bet on how they are going to turn out may find themselves on the wrong end of the stats.
editing for humour
i suspect people with very expensive pets do not want their pets to contract covid19
[best practice appears to be not soo alien to many peoples concepts when considered in the right context]
lets say the nay sayer nut jobs get their best ever hopes dreams & prayers met by SAR'S CoV-2 not mutating too drastically and all it does is manages to spike its viral loading as an exponential mutation(increase).
onset of massive immunological over response could be triggered in a matter of hours instead of days, although it would 1st require an asymptomatic period to be transmitted, maybe 2 weeks would be sufficient to just maintain its global longevity
[proof reading & thinking maybe only 1 week considering the average current situation globally]
we have the science
why not use it
..... because greed because capitalism because user pays capitalism must be maintained by demanding all modern working class throw themselves on their swords so the elite can survive & breed a master race ...
was standing in line at the store
no one was wearing masks
early 70s year old lady was chatting with 70yo staff member being served
most were social distancing
as 70yo customer turned away from the counter she coughed without covering her face
then said to the staff member "its asthma" then walked out down the line of waiting customers coughing as she walked past them all not covering her mouth or face in any way
it was a bit surreal
i thought BIEETCH ! if you have asthma your a nut job for not wearing a mask in public because IF you catch covid it will kick your ass.
stoopid woman !
i know people in the medical profession who have told me terrible things and how common they are, a lot of people so easily forget how fragile life is.
So, manipulating my last answer was your best shot.
Besides of lying when you talk of an imaginary Biden plan for the pandemic in March 2020, a laughable argument of yours, you are demonstrating how a poor fanatic uses tricks and deviate responses to "look good in front of readers".
Surely, in this topic is a waste to discuss with you.
Okay, that response sounds so Jan Ardena. ^^
This is the reason I said the protection should have been focused on people with poor health condition. Many elderly are in very good shape, in many cases with better health than lots of young people.
I never said it was a hoax.
I gave you a link. Are you unable to read? Or has your steady diet of right wing news sources rendered you resistant to fact?
Just in case you're still capable of accepting factual information, here are some more links for you:
April 2020 - four point plan for protecting front line workers from COVID https://joebiden.com/joe-bidens-4-point-plan-for-our-essential-workers/
June 2020 - updated COVID plan released https://joebiden.com/beat-covid19/
July 2020 - plan for school reopenings https://joebiden.com/school-reopening/
This is something that candidates who want to win an election commonly do - lay out their plans for their term in office.
I haven't cared about looking good for years.
But, uh, good luck with that. You'll really "look good in front of readers" by denying that there's a pandemic, or by denying that Biden's plan exists.
I will compare the virus with storm categories.
It is category 1. So you can say good bye to your mobile home, some damage to weak coverings like roofs in shopping centers, some electric lines in streets.
It is not category 3 or, 4 or 5.
Just category 1. I will raise it to category 2 to make you happy.
The taken measures to fight against the virus were evacuation of the area, hiding in basements Biden's style, collecting water supplies, food and medicines, as if it was a category 5 storm.
Do you get it now?
You got all that out of "close the restaurants".... and yet never got to GBI.
its quite fascinating.
Like I posted:
Do you seriously believe that community leaders like the idea of locking down communities and losing billions etc.
Why do you think those normally money hungry bastards recommend restrictions ? Is it just to flex a bit of muscle or something else?
try this scenario:
You have a million people living in a medium density environment.
at 12 noon on day one, one person will become contagious and not even know they are.
By the time it is discovered that a deadly infection is spreading it is day 4.
How many people are infected after 4 days? ( rhetorical)
How many of those are asymptomatic?
What action would any sane leader take once advised of a highly contagious and fatal illness spreading with out check?
With a CFR of 4% and hospitals services overwhelmed etc what would you recommend?
What rating would you give it Cat 1 or Cat 5?
and why would you?
Remember it was only one person to start with....at that time was it a cat 1 or a cat 5?
ok now exaggerate the situation for a virus with similar transmission rates but a CFR of 80%
One person out of a million is initially infected: Is it a Cat 1 or a cat 5 event?
btw I do understand your perspective and have some sympathy towards it. Here in Australia we have virtually eliminated the virus having almost zero community transmission. This was achieved only because of severe restrictions on travel social distancing and mask wearing. All events that do take place are from international arrivals and quarantine breaches.
Even so we still are required to wear masks and gathering size is restricted. International borders have been more or less closed for nearly 13 months now.
Of course it is easy to wonder what all the fuss its about given such low infection rates but of course this only happens when you forget about the fact that the only reason we have low infection transmission IS because of those tough restrictions. IS because we all had to stay at home and avoid any contact with others etc...
It was not that long ago I had my first cafe meet and greet in nearly 12 months...( normally it was a daily event)
So far I have avoided becoming infected which is a good thing as I am in a high risk group.
Finally, you got it!
I love Australia.
It took me years to find out the meaning of the images painted in the Uluru rock, and I think I'm in the right path.
Your example is excellent.
At noon, a person is infected and the out co0ming is unknown.
As a preventive measure, extreme actions are taking because the magnitude of the contagious rate can't be determined.
You see president Trump ordering close of offices, restrictions in airports, lots of measures, all of them happening because no one knows the consequences arisen from a situation that became a pandemic.
But, after weeks it is found the virus was not lethal as it was predicted.
Question: Was necessary to maintain the extreme measures any longer?
By no means.
Using my analogy: preparations are made to a coming storm category 5. But, when the storm arrived was category 2. Was necessary to keep all the measures taken for a storm category 5 after its arrival as category 2?
My answer is NO.
I love Australia too... lol
I worked at the 4 seasons hotel Yulara resort, Uluru for just on 9 months as a purchaser (1990/91). I have visited the area from Melbourne, on 4 separate occasions and find the place and local indigenous peoples fascinating..
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you probably know more about the art work than most Australians.(including local Indigenous).. lol
ah but you are mistaken, the outcome is quite well understood. A person who is free to travel any where is infected unknowingly and has approximately 4 days to spread the good news.
Going on to further infect others who are also free to travel and interact with potential vectors and also do so unknowingly. By the time the 4 days are up before the alarm is raised thousands could be infected and also free to travel were ever they like. Add in a 14 day incubation period and you have pandemic on your hands...
By the time Trump acted and closed the border to Chinese travelers the USA was already carrying a heavy viral load.
The USA continued to import the virus from Spain, Italy , France and most of Europe as they were also carrying a viral load and were in a state of emergency.
But of course Trump had refused to take the advice of medical experts and was not intelligent enough to realise that closing the border to China only, was an excercise in futility. He really needed to do a lot better....
Mind you in all fairness many world leaders ignored the obvious as well,,, Boris Johnston of the UK was one of them....and take a look at what has happened there...
Trumps inaction and stubborn stupidity cost how many of the 500,000 lives 12 month later?
Ask any of the 500,000 that died as a result of his poor leadership and then go on to ask any of the next 500,000.
You see, the cumulative effect is that the USA is going to be crippled by this virus for the foreseeable future until the population take the situation seriously enough to obey simple social distancing rules including mask wearing ( especially in crowded situations) and no, the virus is not going to simply vanish as Trump publicly suggested.
Latest stats appear to reflect that the population is generally starting to get the message and the new case rate is actually falling in many states, the ones that have severe restrictions mandated.
Today in the USA
the total case number :
total death ( CFR)
days new death
Do the research and work it out for yourself...
Texas has just announced they are opening up totally removing all restrictions.
the total case number today (04/03/2021) (src: worldometers)
total new cases:
total new deaths:
It will be tragically interesting to see where the figures go 7-14 days after the restrictions are removed and people relax their social distancing requirements as per Government encouragement.
The Governor, Greg Abbot, may end up in jail for deliberately ignoring medical advice and literally killing thousands due to his failure to protect his community from their own ignorance.
In fact I may run a thread topic on the Texas experiment and record their progress back to the inevitable lock down in a few weeks....it is almost a scientific certainty that Texas will be back into severe restrictions with in a few weeks. Same goes for Mississippi. Perhaps the world needs to prepare for a Texan mutation?
There is also the issue of the latest and greatest mutation from Brazil that is already being seen in the USA that appears ( the studies are ongoing) to be able to avoid the vaccination regime. If so then the world is going to be in pandemic status for a few years yet...
History will show that Trump's willful incompetence has cost the USA a staggering amount not only in human terms but in economic ones as well..
I hold him personally responsible for the death of 10's of thousands and I am not the only one.
As in Brazil the president there ( a trump clone) is also responsible not only for a significant portion of deaths so far but also the consequential mutation that has emerged in the Amazonia that has the potential to kill millions.
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