How exactly a hydrogen atom is constructed

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  1. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    1 proton attracts 1 electron, so the electron orbits around the proton?

    is the atom vibrating? is it producing em waves? how could electron stay in orbit all the time?

    why is never electron fall into proton?
     
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  3. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    anyone knows? any phd?
     
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  5. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Sticking with the classical interpretation - yes.

    Not in a strict sense. The electron will be in different places around the proton so the 'size' of the atom is changing and that could be called a vibration.

    No.

    The electron is not losing or gaining energy so it will remain in motion indefinitely.

    See above. Same reason that the moon doesn't fall into the earth.
     
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  7. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    load of bs.

    em force is 10^39 times of gravity. solar systems are light years apart, atoms are compact.

    why electron not discharge into nucleus? why atoms are not compressible as 99.99% empty space within?
     
  8. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Why ask questions if you think you already know the answer? I guess you really are just a troll. Well at least the nice folks here are giving you a soap box for you to spout your nonsense.
     
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  9. Janus58 Valued Senior Member

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    The classical model which treats the electron as orbiting around the nucleus like a planet is incorrect. It has has been supplanted with the quantum mechanics model where the electrons inhabit "probability clouds" around the nucleus. The electrons are restricted to certain energy levels. (An electron can exist one level or another but not in between levels). This means that an electron can only move between energy levels by absorbing or emitting a photon of equal energy to the energy difference.

    Under the classical model the electron would be constantly emitting em waves due to its orbit around the nucleus and would spiral in to the nucleus is quite a short time. However, the with the QM model, the difference between energy levels is larger than the energy of the photons that would be emitted by such a process. Since the electron is only allowed to emit photons (and thus change energy) by this minimum amount, it ends up not radiating away its energy like it would under the classical model.
     
  10. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    qm is the biggest science poop so far.

    1 electron and 1 proton, the only force exist is attraction f=ke x 1/r^2.

    what energy level? how electron emits photon? what's the mechanism?
     
  11. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    You realize that you look pretty silly saying a theory is completely wrong and in the same post admitting that you don't know anything about it! How in the hell can you know it is wrong if you don't even know what it is?
     
  12. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    He is likely a troll, but lets not tell him that each elector passes thru to different and separated slits to make an interference pattern on a phosphorus screen. He "knows" QM is BS, despite experiments like this.
     
  13. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    if qm not bs, why no 1 can tell how a hydrogen atom is formed?
     
  14. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    not only here, every science forum cannot answer that simple question.

    why? cus present science is still not perfect. many holes in atomic structure, gravity and gravitation radiation.
     
  15. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to be admitting that you troll "every" science forum.

    What's the average length of your stay on other fora, troll?
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The first hydrogen atom formed around 380,000 years after the BB.
    You mythical pixie in the sky did not create it.
    It formed when temperatures and pressures had dropped far enough that electrons could couple with atomic nuclei.
    When were the atomic nuclei made?
    They formed in the first three minutes after the BB, again when temperatures and pressures had dropped sufficiently.
    Sorry jcc, your God is poop!
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You are a liar. But I suppose lying with your magic pixie on your side is OK?
    Actually correct this time.

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    Science is not perfect, although it does have a good handle on atomic structure which you ignore.
    Science progresses and advances with time and further observations.
    Those observations have put your magical deity in the trash bin.



     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Every answer you have received is bullshit in your estimation.
    Perhaps you just don't want to know. Perhaps it is your God who is bullshit?
    Atoms are compact??

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    More bullshit from our God botherer!
    If we stuck a pea in the center of our largest sport stadium as representing an atomic nucleus, the Electrons would be orbiting out past the outer grandstand seats.
    Atoms are compressible. Ever heard of White Dwarfs, Neutron stars and Black holes?
    The more you keep up with your childish tirade, the more foolish you look, and the more foolish and fairy tale like your God of choice looks.
     
  19. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    It is true that electrons and up quarks are electrostatically attracted to each other. But they couple only via electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force and gravity. That is to say, electrons and quarks don't collide directly but only interact via their fields. Even infalling from a great distance, an electron-up-quark pair is extremely unlikely to have a close-enough approach to create a down quark (and neutrino) and by definition have too much energy to form any bound state. So if a bound state is to be formed, a burst of electromagnetic radiation is needed to rid the system of excess energy. Assuming cool surroundings, a new bound system will eventually radiate away all it's energy to fall to the ground state. So the ground state of the electron-proton system is an electron electromagnetically bound to a baryon with 2 up and 1 down quarks bound by the strong force, with net spin zero. This system has a energy level 0.00000587 eV below that of the hydrogen atom where the electron and proton have aligned spins.

    Using an accelerator, we can slam electrons into protons hard enough that some electrons and up quarks interact via the weak nuclear force to form neutrinos and down quarks, transmuting a proton into a neutron. But free neutrons, being more massive than their decay products, are unstable and soon decay into an anti-neutrino, electron and proton.

    Study of the properties of atomic hydrogen in its ground and excited states have led to a testbed of many ideas about matter and physics.
     
  20. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    what state? proton attracts electron, they should connect like two opposite charges balls.

    why is electron starts to orbiting? making 3d orbitals? able to change energy levels and emit photon particles?

    not crazy must be mad to believe such things.

    seriously, never ask yourself, what is the mechanism for all those bs?
     
  21. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    This is just more trolling. It's been reported.
     
  22. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    How is a hydrogen atom formed?

    Well, when a proton and an electron love each other very much...
     
  23. jcc Registered Senior Member

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    so they have many babies, photons?
     
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