How is faith in God attained?

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  1. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    I was wondering why you changed it?


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  3. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Adstar, can I expect a reply by tonight, or should I go to bed and wait for tomorrow? I am kind of tired but I also look forward to your replies so I'm not sure which to do.
     
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  5. NDS NDS Registered Senior Member

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    My old name was nds1. The "1" at the end didn't seem necessary, as the name NDS was not yet taken. So I switched it.

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  7. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    And yet, I notice you failed to answer the question, which was my contribution to the discussion: clarifying a point. Either you have some evidence or you don't. If you do, share with us. If not, I'm wondering how its possible for you to make the claim you did without supporting evidence.

    Finally, I make no threats. Nor did I suppress or censor what you've said in the other thread. If you want to be so bold as to make hateful and insulting comments to those of other religious delusions, feel free. It'll cost you three points each time. But your attempt to play the "big, bad mod using his mod powers to persecute" won't influence me in the least. Finally, if you have further issue with your infraction, take it to the PM system or the Site Feedback forum. Meta-discussion here will be deleted as off-topic.
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    in short, one would discover that god does not have a temporal designation - kind of like it is strange to define a whole string of things (water, gold, sunlight, etc) as ultimately west african or polynesian (even thought these things may appear in africa or polynesia)
     
  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    This is just another confidence statement.

    How do you KNOW that this god of yours is the same as a Polynesian one? Or a West African one? Where is your evidence?
    Confidence statement - that is all you have.
     
  10. NDS NDS Registered Senior Member

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    No, no Sarkus. LG is on to something here.

    It's clear that Zeus is the same thing as the Christian God. It's clear that the Muslim God and Christian God are exactly the same, right? How can anyone not see that?

    I mean, God told Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John to write the gospel and then some 500 years later told Muhammud to write the Quran which condemns Jews and Christians and which teaches violence and many other non-Jesus principles. Yeah LG, I could see how they are the same God.

    LG, when you die you may find out that Jesus is the King of everything, and is second to God in knowledge, power, and authority. And I'm not sure he will be too fond of a religion (Hinduism) which doesn't even consider him worthy enough to make the top 10 or top 25 list of (great incarnations) or avatars.
     
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  11. NDS NDS Registered Senior Member

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    Adstar, you argue that someone cannot possibly believe the Message of Jesus and at the same time not believe that a man named Jesus existed who was the Son of God, and who redeemed all of mankind for all of their sins.

    I disagree. I think the "Message of Jesus" can be agreed with and can be accompanied by a disbelief in Jesus' existence as the Bible portrays it.
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I still can't agree with not covetting my neighbour's wife. I mean... have you seen her! :jawdrop:

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  13. Medicine*Woman Jesus: Mythstory--Not History! Valued Senior Member

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    M*W: How is faith in god attained? By brainwashing and control.
     
  14. Adstar Valued Senior Member

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    The bible contains all of the message of Jesus. If your going to only accept 30% of what Jesus said then are you a follower of Jesus? No your not. All your doing is just saying you agree with Jesus on the points that you think are right. A follower of Jesus who believes Jesus will believe 100% of the message of Jesus.

    There are billions of people in this world who agree with a percentage of the Message of Jesus, it does not matter if they are athiests muslims catholics or hindus or buddhists they all find some saying of Jesus that they think is nice and good. But their is no eternal values in believing in a discounted cut down jesus. One must believe Jesus.

    John 6:63
    It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

    All of them, not just the ones that seem good to you.



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  15. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    Adstar, since you're here, I hope you'll get around to replying to the entirety of my last post. Also, in case you needed me to specify just what it is that I want: most of this post attempts to refute your earlier claims. Can you address the points I used for the refutation and show me where they're wrong?

    You've already acknowledged the very last bit in your last post don't bother with that of course.

    Thanks.

    The points mentioned in this post as well, once you get the chance:

     
  16. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I still do not understand why you are not willing to do as Jesus commands, and sell all of your possesions, and give all of your money to the poor.

    I guess you follow "just the ones that seem good to you".

    In your own words Adstar:
    "All your doing is just saying you agree with Jesus on the points that you think are right. A follower of Jesus who believes Jesus will believe 100% of the message of Jesus."

    How about removing the log that is in your own eye, first?

    Why not?
     
  17. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I think that's called having a weaker faith vs a stronger faith, but it doesn't interfere with believing in the entirety of the Bible, which is what Adstar was arguing for. As in, Adstar understands that selling all of his positions and devoting his life to Christian principals with no self gain would certainly bring him closer to Jesus' message, and he believes that, but it doesn't mean he has to do to it.

    Like how I believe I should get papers and stuff done on time and not procrastinate, but I don't always (if ever) follow that.

    It's late, sorry if this doesn't make any sense. :/
     
  18. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    The church has always been full of hypocrites who condemn others to hell while they justify themselves in their own sin.
     
  19. ashura the Old Right Registered Senior Member

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    I've never denied that.

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    However, the institution based on the religion shouldn't be confused with the religion itself.
     
  20. NDS NDS Registered Senior Member

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    But still someone can "kind of" believe 100% of the message.

    So you can believe 100% of the message with a 100% strength of faith.
    Or, you can believe 100% of the message with a 10% strength of faith.
    Or, you can believe 70% of the message with a 50% strength of faith.
    Or, you can believe 70% of the message with a 100% strength of faith.

    Take Global Warming for example. I have a 100% belief in the fact that man may be causing the warming. However, I have a 10% strength of faith in that belief, meaning I will not alter my life in any way in response to "Global Warming."
     
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