How is faith in God attained?

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  1. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Nice circular admission to a context. Thus it's upon faith, that you rely the message to be true, not that it's truth, It's you that have to have faith, that what you read, must be literally believed. Thus admitting truth, before any evidence of the context can be proven to be reliable.

    That's why the old cliche "Don't question our doctrine, to believe that it's truth you must have faith"
     
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  3. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    The Gospel of Jesus Christ is music to some people's ears, and a huge bummer to others, but the bummer crowd can grow to appreciate it through prayer and study.
     
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  5. VitalOne Banned Banned

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    How about meditation on true knowledge? Simple fixate your mind upon the truth, as Jesus says "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:32)
     
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  7. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You'll get far more out of reading Aesop's Fables, after all, one fairy tale is as good as another. Besides, the concept of talking animals is just slightly less far-fetched than virgin births and resurrections.
     
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    It's supernatural that virgin birth and resurrection, but of course, since you don't understand it, it can't be true, oh well.
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Understanding a virgin birth and a resurrection? What's to understand?
     
  10. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Nothing, right?
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently nothing, considering you're talking about magic, which is impossible for us mere mortals to understand, and instead, just accept it, right?
     
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    When you analyze it per the rest of the writings of the Bible into which it fits hand in glove, it's truly remarkable, so many writers over some many centuries and it has "the scarlet thread" of salvation throughout, very impressive.
     
  13. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    How did the followers of Moses, the Hebrew slaves, attain faith in God?
    How did the people of Noah's time attain faith in God?
    How did the people of Abraham's time attain faith in God?
    How did the people in David's time attain faith in God?

    Can Muslims attain faith in God?
     
  14. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    What is the Message of Jesus? Please explain what I have to agree with in order to attain faith.

    Also, on what basis do you personally agree with the Message of Jesus? Is the message logically sound? Is it appealing to you? Can you please explain how I should judge the Message?

    Should I judge it based on its being logically sound?
    Should I judge it based on its extreme attention to detail?
    Should I judge it based on weather it sounds truthful or not?

    So how should I judge the truthfulness of the message?

    What separates the Message of Jesus from the Message of Mohammad?

    If God came to them in an undeniable manifestation, then they would have knowledge of God's existence, not faith.
     
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  15. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    By looking forward in faith to the Messiah, signified with their lamb sacrifices.

    Muslims can become Christians like anybody else.
     
  16. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    So they attained faith by having faith?

    Clearly this makes no sense.

    So your saying that Muslims have no faith in God?
     
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  17. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    Again, how then did the pre-Jesus peoples attain faith in God if they had no Message of Jesus to agree with?
     
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  18. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    So in order to attain faith in God, then, God must give us the gift of faith?

    Is this faith in Allah inferior in any way to the faith of the God of the Bible?
     
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    Through what had been written and other traditions.
     
  20. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    What had been written?

    What were some "other traditions"?
     
  21. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    I was just going to ask you the same things.
     
  22. nds1 Registered Senior Member

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    Why did you say:

    "Through what had been written and other traditions."

    What question was this a response to?
     
  23. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    writing confusionism, non-serquitus, hyperbole non sense leads to confusion, as demonstrated by the last few posts.
     

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