I agree with your points Fraggle, but still thinks that execution is murder. If a person wants to die is another thing, that should be a personal choice, but then they must also have the courage to do it themselves and not demand murder from their fellow citizens. Queen, the problem is not parents not spotting their childrens problems in time, the problem is parents not giving a shit at all, or creating problems for their children. They often excuse themselves that way though, "I knew something wasn't right with him/her." etc. To make it look like they had no part in how their children turned out, that they just became like that by themselves. What is SHU? Googled it but I assume it's not Seaton Hall University you're talking about. jmpet, apparently those people you're refering to don't belong in prison, thier "punishment" should be something else, more suitable for their personality-type. Hard work in some factory perhaps, or chopping wood..?