So? The discussion topic was AGW. The Holocene climate "optimum" (a vague term, seems to mean warmest daytime summer atmosphere) is not part of AGW. Which has been debated and discussed and investigated quite thoroughly by the pros, and has been incorporated into the predictions and findings and so forth. So we can move on, when discussing AGW and its likely effects. - - - - - Which is part of the research findings and AGW predictions etc - that stuff you refuse to read. Very large, and very rapid - far more rapid than anything in the global record except very large meteor strike, and larger than anything except global disasters of the past. That's where the bad effects of AGW are likely to come from, remember? That is also the major factor in the lack of positive effects - remember? What the people who do the research and pay attention to facts and know what they are talking about say is that the overall result of AGW is most likely to be a series of disasters on a scale that current human civilization cannot handle easily. Why do you think they are wrong? You haven't addressed this matter. Your posts consist of asserted falsehoods, see. More CO2 does not necessarily lead to "better" plant growth. Higher temperatures do not necessarily lengthen the growing season. More rain is not necessarily helpful - and in the case of AGW is predicted to be damaging, by the researchers who study such things. There's a thread about that. In other words: Nothing you say about these matters is accurate. Furthermore, as anyone familiar with both can see, your posting is essentially identical to parrot versions of US Republican Party media feeds - right down to the specific vocabulary (sheeple, etc). Which requires a basic knowledge of reality - otherwise, one has no way of even identifying propaganda, let alone "extracting facts" from it. You, for example, have no chance. You have no knowledge of the physical reality involved in AGW. Not necessarily. You are a sheeple, and that's not how you were played. The marketing pros in the US know what they are doing. Your only defense would be to acquire information, and this you refuse to do.