Humour

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Benson, Jul 23, 2019.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    It's not something you can call bullshit on. It's a recorded event - a joke, posted as a sendup, - and you bit, half in pretense, because you thought you had an opportunity for more personal insult of me (the plurality of the wingnut posts here, with dozens of contributions from the tribe).

    Poe's Law. I missed it.
    The guy without the sense of humor posted the single most gracefully humorous and yet on topic post (32) and afaik the only original jokes in this thread - at the ugliest of which you laughed, and then (once again, like two or three of the rest of you) explained why you found it funny in excruciatingly lame and frankly not credible detail, apparently to cover up the obvious:
    nobody stereotypes Texans as swimmers, and that's not what you "got" when you got the joke.
    What you "got" was, as designed by me (I have a spent a lifetime working with your tribe), a bump of the California joke - same context.

    So the bullshit call is a bit closer to home.

    But your admission that these posts of mine bait you guys is recognized and appreciated for what it is - that was also obvious, but obvious is seldom enough when dealing with you and your tribe here.

    Which is yet another factor in the invisibility of the sense of humor of the "scientist". ( Seems to be temporarily replacing the "feminist" as the type specimen of the humorless liberal, maybe until this climate change thing is safely under the management of the right politicians).
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    "I had a meltdown ironically. You know - a joke."

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  5. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know if I should be cracking up or commit a Poe's Law illustration...


    you've worked with the Oglala? Which res, oh great and powerful Poe?
    Tell me all about us then, by all means... enlighten us, since we're all just back-assward uneducated heathen types incapable of all that there subtlety stuff and all that.

    while you is at it, can yer teach usn's about them there 'publican talkin' points so's we-uns don't fall fer all dat dere twatwaffling superior talk?
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The one line innuendo, the accountability dodge - it's what they fall back on, all of them, in time. At least I haven't melted down that far, eh? Some degradation is still beneath me.

    Meanwhile: those are quote marks - obviously not a quote, of course (that's a bit beyond you), and I can cut a laddie some slack while he's learning the tribal ways - but it introduces an unfortunate shadow of accountability. Notice that your elders don't make that mistake.

    To introduce the central problem with pretend quoting or paraphrasing of stuff you haven't understood: Citation needed.

    Or you might be asked less subtly, because experience has shown not just me but many others etc etc: since you claim to be quoting, What posts of mine am I supposed to have claimed were ironic, and where did I post that claim?

    To simplify your search: The post with the imitation joke and explanation was not ironic - explicitly not ironic. It was intended to be insult and mockery, straight up; the Poe's Law illustration was a mistake.
    So were intended the subsequent posts.
    But there is some irony in the earlier posting - before the shithead joke at 33 reminded me of the situation here. Post 32, for example, was made playfully and in good humor, with a bit of irony, as if dealing with adults of good faith. Is that the one, the meltdown post I am currently trying to claim is ironic?

    Or are these claimed claims of irony from the same mythical realm as the claimed explanation of joke post - just something made up for the bandarlog to groom and preen over, or maybe something that's gotta be around here somewhere just can't lay hands on it?
    Too late. You'll be dead before you grow up.
     
  8. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder how long till it goes critical?
    ironically critical, as a joke, that is?

    should we evacuate the children?
     
  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I thought it was funny but I don't have bigot bone in my body...well it's not that funny I suppose but there are many jokes like that...I am not sure why such has caused upset ... But if me thinking it was funny and that would upset anyone then I am sorry even without knowing why anyone was upset ... Am I on the right joke even , the Titanic one?....but I would like to know what is the bigotry you say is needed to really laugh? And the tribe...who is the tribe? the group of monkeys? Well I did learn a new word for monkeys but I don't know if I would ever use it as most may have to do what I did..look it up. Is it a word in common usage? I do not run into it at all. Anyways rather than sit by and wonder if I am stupid I thought I should ask so in knowing the details may decide who is entitled to claim victory in this interesting exchange.
    Alex
     
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  10. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    it's called baiting - he was trolling you.
    he overthought the joke, became offended because of his perceived moral and intellectual superiority to us, picked a fight and had a meltdown, then attempted to play the Poe's Law illustration card while continuing to go critical because, somehow, his meltdown over the joke was a bucket of laughs. Now he's trying to fob it all off as humour while pushing the bigotry narrative and making it all our fault just because we aren't over-woke and over-sensitive.
    Think about this: the thread was about if scientists had a sense of humour, then it fractured into various types of humour being shared until ice decided to go full herp-a-derp to get attention for the over-woke crusade... We're just lucky no one talked about burning a flag because then he would have punched us!

    Captain to Mission control: we should definitely evacuate ... we don't know if it's contagious or just incendiary.

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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is a pretty apt description.

    iceaura, you're smart, thoughtful and eloquent. But you take yourself too seriously in the wrong context. You flatter yourself that you are above the unwashed masses whom you see as little more to offer than one-liner quips, but what's really happening is that you are misreading the room. No one's going to give you credit for a serious take on a subject when you have zero humility about your own self. It's not that people can't engage intellectually, it's that they won't just because you expect it.

    I don't begrudge you having a serious thoughtful opinion on the politics, but you'd do better starting your own thread where you can set the tone. The tone here is already set.
     
  12. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    But that approach never works although such behaviour is humourous if one can't avoid pomposity.
    I suppose it brings to the front " judge not lest ye shall be judged".
    Anyways thanks for the explanation, I had sortta figured that out...I simply could not see the bigotry ...I still can't. The kettle has boiled it's time to move on my plans for today.
    Alex
     
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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In the context of the large California utility companies's (all of them) behavior, which has been abusive - to the point of killing their costumers - for a generation now. (Highlights: Enron, the blackouts and spot price manipulations during the last Republican administration, the 2017 fires that killed dozens of people, etc). https://www.kqed.org/science/194887...answers-to-your-questions-on-the-pge-shutdown

    There are court-subpeoned audio tapes of various power brokers of the Enron days laughing about the helplessness of the Californians they were cheating and blacking out and so forth - burning them alive by the dozens came years later, after the several times promised maintenance and improvements to the grid had not been done by any of the large utility companies making those promises (and charging for them, and lying about them, etc).
    Citations still needed.
    (Notice they have never been provided, anywhere, by any of these guys. Accountability is something they hide from by reflex).
    Briefly: None of that spew is found in my posting, except the moral, ethical, and intellectual superiority - which is unavoidable, by default, simply by being honest and quoting references etc. It would be fairly difficult to be inferior to Truck Captain's behavior here, after all. How?
    Need specifics? Ok: In particular, for example, nothing in any of my posting here rests on being "woke", or is an attempt to "fob off" anything as humor, and no honest reading of my posts supports those two claims. (There's nothing "woke" about old time traditional decency, and the "fob off as humor was done by others, not me)
    All that's just the Captain posting dishonest shit as a personal attack for the fiftieth time - an increasingly dominant manner of posting from that tribe in these forums. It has been a plurality for a while, becoming a majority of late - mostly as projection, btw: notice who it actually was that tried to "fob off" their posting as "humor" - claiming that this was a "humor thread" or "fractured" into one - who it was that actually did try to "explain a joke" here (more than one, none of them me), and so forth.


    One would have to not know that, to "really laugh". Therein lie the stereotypes, which have a source, and the rest follows. A bigotry founded in such ignorance is easily excused, forgivable, dismissed as minor, of no importance in the larger scheme of things - until somebody resorts to the kind of defensive posturing and slimeball attack we see from these "men" claiming to be adults here, explaining at length their sense of humor, etc. Then the obvious questions won't go away.

    It's not a racial bigotry, the Titanic one (more akin to the French stereotype they also hold) - my imitation joke rested on racial bigotry, which may be confusing (sorry), but as you can see from the bandarlog reactions (identical to the defense of the Titanic joke) it makes no difference to my posting here which ignorance founded bigotry in the Republican bubbleworld is involved this time.

    The upshot here is, simply, that cutting this tribe slack for their self-congratulatory little "jokes" about the people they've been shitting on has run its string out. They're not ok, and they need to know that - it's getting late. There is a real life fascist demagogue in the White House of the first and still most powerful modern democracy in the world, and they abetted that disaster. They need to grow up, if they can. Granting them their safe spaces they have used to hatch dangerous idiocy undisturbed, the respect due actual adults they haven't earned and refuse to grant, the seat at the table they have used to spit on their neighbors, has not worked.
     
  14. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Funniest thread I’ve read in a loooong time!

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    Thanks everyone!

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  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for providing the context into which you thought appropriate to fit "the joke".
    I am not entitled to judge but I find your approach somewhat odd, and I am not seeking to be unkind, but merely offering to you my honesty as best I can assemble to qualify my responce.
    However you are I am certain smart enough to see where on the sand bar that your initial responce to "the joke" must run aground and from that point with the tide against you will be prevented from making harbour to deliver your cargo of historic observations upon "the joke".

    The damage to your boat is minor so perhaps wait for the tide to refloat it and seek a safe harbour, an appropriate thread in an appropriate forum, to off load your valuable cargo.

    I don't like seeing you becoming the joke because you have run aground and certainly not because you waste your effects trying to refloat on an outgoing tide.

    If I can offer some silly advice that becomes profound when implimented..."remember Son that champions don't get mad they get even" ... And I guess that is something I do not see with those who want Trump gone. I am a very simple chap and I observe the rallies and the bitterness and wonder why valuable energy is wasted upon such trivial pursuits.
    There is no one being offered to drive the bus so there is no point demanding the driver get off at the next stop...and if folk in Australia, Britain, China etc know not who is the next intended driver they can only think there is only one bus driver to be found. You need a face, you need to promote that face ...
    Thanks for the background but I must say I think the joke fails more simply because it was never that funny in the first place.
    Love your work.
    Alex
     
  16. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    What "joke", and why are you putting it in quotes?
    You mistake my motives. All I am doing with the Tribe That Rubs Shit In Their Hair is countering dishonest repetition of lies with repetition of denial - there's no argument involved. (Notice they haven't been quoting or linking to what they claim I posted, at all. Instead, they run off of dishonest and willful misreading, illiterate and bone-headed paraphrase, and so forth - a complete lack of good faith, going back months and years now).

    The essential point is that their pretensions of being good people, of acting on any kind of principle or reasonable viewpoint, are all bs. They've been pulling this shit for years, and it has done a lot of damage to stuff I care about - and there is no point in cutting them slack any more. They aren't going to change, and the only reasonable response is continual repetition of accurate description and straightforward labeling - just repeat the physical facts of their behavior, over and over and over, so that what one is doing by choosing sides with them is constantly in view.

    Don't cut them any slack. They aren't entitled to it. They abuse people they think are vulnerable, and blame their targets, and when cornered they "explain"- just like that joke, if that's the one you were referring to.

    Or from the other direction: You seem to have taken the contents - as opposed to the effects - of this bs from the Bandarlog seriously. It's not serious. Recall that these are the same guys who piled up this same mob slander routine on the assertion that I was not an American, that I had never taken a class in economics, that I was a partisan Democrat in the tank for Clinton, that I hated guns or this or that or the other, and so forth. Same pattern - all paraphrases and altered wording leading to unsupported assertion, never quotes or arguments they would have to back up, always immediate personal attack, never discussion or consideration, nothing in good faith. It's the only way they know. It doesn't become serious by repetition, or by getting "liked" by the tribe, or by insistence and assumption on the part of the specimens who invented it.

    So a familiar load of bullshit, and if you reread you'll notice it's all based originally on lies and most of them projections - at least, stuff that looks exactly like lies, like deliberate misrepresentations derived from introspection and their own posting - there's no "meltdown" in any of my posts (there is a collective spinout into idiocy by them), there's no revision by claim of joking anywhere in my posting (there are two or three such posts by them - that this is a "humor thread" etc), there's no post by me explaining a joke (there are at least three such posts by them) - a couple weeks back I posted no error of economic analysis (Seattle did), nothing indicating I wasn't an American (a couple of them aren't), etc.

    There's just a pack of juvenile Trump-like ignoramuses who never grew up and never got called on their shit when they might have learned better, who believed the pundits and politicians who stroked them, who agree to preen each other on some line of slander they think they can sell by holding hands and closing their eyes and saying some magic words Frank Luntz fed them years ago, and who sincerely believe they deserve to be taken seriously regardless of their behavior and posting here (Check out Truck Captain's absurd explanation of why he found my imitating illustration joke funny, for example - or read post 52 and check it against the reality of post 40)
     
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    I think the more important question to come out of this discussion is how many times can one poster use the word banderlog in one thread?
     
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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Out of respect for all involved I used quotes to somewhat neutralise the word and perhaps that approach was clumsy indeed lazy but I feel the approach reasonable from where I stand but I conceed, having read all your post, that there is so much more going on that in reflection I should not have offered any comment in the first place.
    I am sure that must be very hurtful but as you may understand I know very little about the past you call yours and theirs.

    I like all of you and so all I see is a group of friends having some sort of minor falling out ... well until I read your post...but ...what can I say?

    There is little I can say other than I treat each person as they treat me and as all the good folk here have always been kind and tolerant of my presence I have no complaints.

    You can only deal with a situation that I for all purposes am mainly unaware.

    And there are many opinions I disagree with but that does not mean I dislike the person.

    Even if someone is insulting I interpret that as they must feel threatened somehow.

    I can see these things upset you but could I suggest that you should not let what others say upset you at all...I know that advice won't have much impact if you have been suffering for years..but look at it this way ... Being an American or not does not depend upon what folk on a forum say...be confident in your truth..if others want to believe something else why not see it as their problem rather than yours.
    You know your qualifications and there is no need to prove anything to others...My response to most all the things that upset you would be..." Look mate you believe what you like what you choose makes no difference to me" ...
    But I guess I don't care what another thinks of me I have nothing to prove to them, only I know my accomplishments, my confidence does not need testing and so I am casual I guess.

    Nevertheless I can't put myself in your shoes and all I can do is say that I hope things get better.

    There are so many things just so wrong in the world I think one has to be somewhat insensitive whilst still hopeful that there will be a better future.

    Thank you for taking the time to explain how you feel. You have my respect.
    Alex
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Upset? What things are "upsetting" me? Try to be specific - it will be educational.
    It isn't "hurtful", and it isn't the past. It is dishonest and ugly, and it's right here in this thread. You don't need to know any history - my references to history merely forestall excusing their behavior here and now as an aberration or temporary misunderstanding.
    Once again the necessity of correcting - or at least opposing - the effects of what the Bandarlog are doing: my posts are not about my feelings, do not describe my feelings, etc. That is their frame, the frame they are trying to sell, by repetition. You can see that it works, especially if allowed to stand unopposed.
    There is a need to oppose an incessant repetition of fascist propaganda when a fascist movement threatens to take power. Repetition works, unless continuously opposed.
    This isn't personal with me. For all anyone can tell these guys are all one bot, with subroutine for "liking" each other's posts. The attempt to make it personal is a tactic - they resort to personal attack immediately and under all circumstances, whenever their repetition meets opposition, and proceed on that basis (that everything from then on is personal attack and defense, without substantial content). Recognize the manipulation - there are several examples in this thread, easily found in only five pages.
    Some checkoff points, bits of reality to simplify your spotting if you do actually reread:
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    Already answered, several times, explicitly: however many labeling opportunities come up.
    If necessary, a cut and paste on the desktop. Whatever speeds the work. The way you're going, no end in sight.
    Recall the reason: You've seen it several times - repetition of observation and fact, to counter repetition of propaganda memes and tactics.

    Yet another aspect of reality your kind cannot register - no matter how many times you see it. Do you actually believe, for example, Truck's "explanation" in post 60 - that he assumes as a stereotype that all Texans know how to swim? You that stupid? Well, if not, how did you miss the reality of the situation he is lying about - not only to the thread, but apparently to himself?
     
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    You appear to be the kind of person that you rail against. You refer to "they", the "banderlog" and their tactics. They call names but in reality that's what you do.

    Everyone who has commented on your remarks are all part of one group according to you. In reality they are just people who have found your remarks untrue or distasteful. You don't want to deal with that so you just create the banderlog group to lump them into, like Trump.

    Your behavior is more bot like than anyone here because you post/comment indiscriminately without thinking. It's easy, you are here to defend some imaginary standard and everyone is against you so you will just attack indiscriminately.

    Everyone here isn't a Republican, or conservative or any one label and yet you address them all the same with no attempt to read what they write in a positive light, so sure are you that you are right and they are not only wrong but stupid and corrupt.

    Your paranoia is getting the better of you. It can't make for a pleasant life. Most people here probably agree with 80 percent of the things that you are for.

    As far as lumping people together...I can't see much difference in style between you and Tiassa. Maybe I'm paranoid as well...
     
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  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    The things you outlined prompting my response.
    You referred to, and I am too lazy to quote you, that what you complain of has been going on for years which lead me to making the mistake that you were referring to things in the past and although you did not specifically say you found such things hurtful that was the impression I formed. But in the future I will separate things that are hurtful from things that are dishonest and ugly.
    Sure ok if that's how you feel.
    Well I may if you could explain what you mean by "that is their frame" ...perhaps include something within the sentence specific as I just seem to get too many things wrong from assuming I understand what you are saying.
    Well I can accept that proposition...certainly...but I must tell you that it comes across that you feel, oops sorry no feel, ...mmm that you respond to a situation as if you were taking argument as a personal attack from an in group you have elected to treat as an army of straw men who's main mission is to make fun of you...now you can't jerk your knees and ignore what I have said but focus on the words "that's how it comes across"... And this thing you have about the likes is that devoid of feeling?
    I am not convinced.
    Well it's a good thing it isn't personal for you as one could indeed find that hurtful.

    If you seriously think that is a possibility you are in a difficult position...should they be ignored because they may be bots or even if bots should they still be opposed.
    And then should one bother to oppose an opponent so determined to win they will resort to such tactics.
    I suspect there are a few socks running around this place but perhaps to keep the numbers up to a degree..I don't know but I do get a feeling that not everyone is the real deal...that does not worry me...I get what I want..a chat...it's better than talking to myself...sometimes.

    In any event let me step aside, I will move to the sidelines then to the car park and make my way back to my reality and set up my new scope and do real stuff.

    Alex
     
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  22. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    has anyone done a "banderlog" count yet?
    More importantly, did anyone figure out if he was referring to Bandar-log or actually meant banderlog??
    (links provided)

    I can't wait to see the new pics!!!
    ... just sayin'
     
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    probably not, since I never assumed that and I explicitly stated as much.
    you're the one making up sh*t (lying) about what I assumed in a comment that I explicitly state what assumptions were made, and none of it has anything to do with swimming.


    .
    so... did you mean Bandar-log or banderlog??
     

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