Ideal society

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by birch, Nov 16, 2016.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    One of the recent innovative ideas ive seen are some self serve yogurt chains with just a cashier. It was so cute and i really enjoyed being able to not have to wait for anyone or the freedom. I also like vending machines, drive-thru car washes, and atms etc.

    I like the idea of being able to choose places or areas with less people involved but machines or robotics.

    Sometimes i go to this 24 hour laundromat late and no one is there. There is everything one would need via vending including change machine, soap, drinks/snacks and tv, tables/chairs, reading material and restroom. Its strangely relaxing and comfortable. Its like a quiet time for me.

    I would love to go to a restaurant with a robot waiter and no human at all except for maintenance behind the scenes. I would think an entire robot city or area would be cool and very convenient. So many places are closed because of human labor. I really like the automation of most things like the convenience of subway token machines instead of waiting in line at a counter etc. There is a sense of more autonomy, convenience, privacy and freedom.

    What are some innovations you would like to see or more of or what would your ideal society look like?
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I assume we can go overboard here, I hope so cause I would like to present some over board notions.
    I like living in the forest and although I shop like everybody does I could imagine just living off the land in the forest hunting fishing gathering.
    But what I would really like is a bird that is large enough to put a saddle on and to be able to fly over the forest and the lake.
    I can handle making my own stuff, building my house etc, and I could be happy without technology in fact enjoy the daily challenge of survival.
    I like to cook my meat on an open fire which I do even in the city and like getting my water from a rain water tank although I dont have that luxury in the city.

    Probably would need a life time supply of guitar strings but other than those I can make what I need.

    The bird would be so cool.

    Alex
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I picked up a book once because it was from the same publisher of a previous philosophy book I finished. I had read Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason, but I didn't finish Walden Pond by Henry David Thoreau. I asked my dad about the book and he said I couldn't really take the author seriously because it was about existentialism. There was probably too much contrast between the two books but I was also kinda' mind screwed from reading Freud. I couldn't take Thoreau seriously, writing about dancing around his peas in a garden.

    Everyone needs some alone time. For me, sometimes I can be silently introverted walking in the city merely with my thoughts.
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You read to review the ideas of others but they are some one elses ideas so why let then create any influence. Its just stuff. These folk are authors but mere humans who in most cases write with less life experience than many of us... they put words together sounds nice, profound whatever but why let an author influence you or mess with your thinking.
    Alex
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I've only interpreted one of my dreams down to an inverse of a pessimistic childhood recollection. This was after reading Freud's book and being quite emotionally charged with something else. It happened almost instantly after waking and I thought to myself 'Holy F*uck!'.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Also, (I couldn't edit the post) I had previously read' 'The Technique and Practice of Psychoanalysis', by some American professor. It seemed like a companion book to a course and it was filled with Freud references.
     
  10. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    One in which everbody coud have what ever they want... e.g... everbodys existance woud consist of computer simulations they program for themselfs.!!!

    What coud be more ideal than this... anybody... anybody... birch.???
     
  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I kinda' suspect you already saw this...


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    Oh well, it starts at 0.
     
  12. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    It woud be fun to program a scenario in which you were Picard or one of the other characters in a simulation that was indistinguishable from what you'r notion of "real life" is.!!!
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have a philosophical perspective, something you wanted to share?

    If so, please be a bit clearer.
     
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  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Your ideal society seems to be one in which there is no society.
     
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  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    That link didn't convince me. In fact, it made me think of, Thoreau, as a dumbass. Maybe it is unfair in comparing him to Freud and Kant.. There are many factors, some are very disparaging. Thinking of what a mind is capable of but being reduced to crap because of the environment.

    It could only take some quotes to convince me, Thoreau, was cool.
     
  17. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    His work seems compelling and some take it as authority but when you stand back and ask what do we have here is is mostly one mans opinion.
    I like Bertrand Russell but all he has ever done is study and write I would not necessarily seek his advice on how to cook a roast.
    Alex
     
  18. Space Dementia Registered Member

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    its a good practice to question how we would want an utopian society to look like. but unfortunately it feels like a waste of time, because most people wont get out of their comfort bubble if they would have to change, even if they rationally understand that it would be to their own benefit.
    So in my ideal society people would not just use rationality and critical thinking to figure out what is best to do, but they would actually do it, that simple thing alone would create the best utopia version i could think of.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm often "alone" now and actually don't mind it one bit...in fact I'm quite at ease with it.
    Great to be able to walk around the house in one's underwear if he so chooses!

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    My beloved Mrs though is totally opposite: Perhaps its because coming from Fiji where they do live in tight gregarious settlements/villages, and always have others quite close.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    OK. There's a difference between being alone and feeling alone.
     
  21. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I tend to agree.
    The prospect of a utopia for me is a forrest with no other humans however to build one all humanity could enjoy is most difficult.
    We are forced to start by altering thecurrent models we at least have experienced.
    So we take USA or Australia any country really and start adjusting itby getting rid of this and that adding this or that but when you start the process you realise that often removing one problem opens the door to other problems which somehow the thing you try to be rid of to a degree was workinh at solving a difficulty.

    I often think, well I would get rid of religion because.. well why is not important.. but if you think about it irrespective if religion deals in truthor not it does a big job helping so many humans make sence of their existence...so realistically what are you going to have to replace religion in uptopia.
    And you can make a list.
    I would get rid of many things but again what problems would arise by dropping something.
    Sortta like time travel. You go back alter some small aspect and return to the present to find your small change has had un imagined consequences.
    Of course time time as an example is a nonsence like relying on life messages from a mythical character such as Spock or Sherlock.
    Just like having a giant bird what problems could such a bird bring.
    It may eat you for starters or have lice the size of rats... As with all things we are attracted for a seemingly good reason and overlook the reality we find in the future.
    Alex
     
  22. cosmictotem Registered Senior Member

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    I either agree or disagree, depending what was said in the opening post.

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  23. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    I think an ideal society will match its resources to its population. Just as Jesus divided the bread and fish amongst many. Everything that runs on energy is fine because fusion fuel is so abundant. In the future there will be no oil wars. It puts people in a continuous state of discontentment that the resources are divided by there population growth. There is no way to achieve infinity people, which appears to be the goal, and at some point everyone will have to agree that this is a problem, if only we had done that when it began in the 1800's we wouldn't be in the mess were in. I imagine in a solar system with a more peaceful solar source like a red dwarf that they would know this, because there star is superior to ours.

    Although the evolution of the devices we create may come to a close, the things we create with them will only perfect themselves.
     

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