If everyone agreed on everything

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Tralay, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    its self evident, please don't embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance
     
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  3. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    It should be pretty obvious what I mean. I see no need to elaborate.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I have already shown you an example that falsifies your assertion, proving that it is not self-evident.

    Defend it.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'll accept that as your concession.
     
  8. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    You can accept it how ever you wish. The rest of us will be happier for accepting the truth
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. "I don't need to explain" is definitely a concession.
     
  10. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    tell me "Dave" what are you doing right now? trying to convince me that im wrong and you are right. right? is it because that is your purpose? spreading your knowledge? its what we all do
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Again: Glad you've decided to start discussing.

    Again:

    I am also trying to watch a TV show right now.
    I am also trying clip my nails.

    To think that "doing something" must be equated to "that something being one's purpose in life", is a non sequitur.
     
  12. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    i dont think you understood what i just said, if spreading your knowledge isnt important why are you so adamant about it?
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I never said anything about importance.

    You observed me doing something, and wrongly equated that with that something being my purpose.
    This can be shown to be false, since I do lots of somethings, none of which are my purpose in life.

    There's no logic to your premise-conclusion.
     
  14. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    yeah keep proving me right pal, keep trying to convince me, that is your purpose afterall
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I've just proven this assertion to be false.
     
  16. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    akoreamerican - do you actually have any way to refute what Dave said? Burden of proof is on you, as Dave already provided his... so, yeah...
     
  17. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    we do lots of things yes, mostly to keep us alive, to keep living for what? to gain knowledge (improving ourselves).
    and we are compelled to spread this knowledge, as soon as we know of something "cool" or new we cant help but to tell someone.

    you just said you re watching tv. thats gaining knowledge.
    keeping your self clean by clipping nails.... to stay healthy... so you live longer.... to gain more knowledge
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It certainly is not.
    Although if you think that TC is tantamount to knowledge, it might explain where you got some of your tortured logic.

    Your argument is circular. If you decide to interpret anything someone does as ultimately serving a purpose you define, that is what is called "begging the question" another logical fallacy.
    It is also a trivial truism.

    Consider:
    I assert something like "There is only one of any given thing in the universe."
    You: "I have two oranges."
    Me: "No, you have one pair of oranges."
    You: "There are seven billion people on the planet."
    Me: "There is one populated planet".

    You see, my assertion is a truism. It is trivial and useless.
    As is yours for the same reason.
     
  19. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    ok why dont you tell me why you watch tv and clip your nails
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I can't imagine what the point would be.
    You will simply sew a train of faulty logic out of whole cloth, ending up whereever you've decided it should end up.

    That is not how logic works.

    See logical fallacies: circular logic, begging the question, truism.
     
  21. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    well i guess im right then, watching tv is to gain knowledge and clipping nails is to stay healthy... unless you give me a different reason
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As Kitt made clear, the onus is on you to defend your assertion.

    Since your assertion is unilateral - it attempts to speak for everyone, it is an all-or-nothing proposition, not to mention asserting things it cannot possibly know - you have the burden to show there are no exceptions. You have not come even close to meeting that burden.
     
  23. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    and what are these exceptions? your hedonist? they have no meaning in life. they will be dead and only knowledge that will survive of them is that they existed once. theres no meaning in life for them... theirs is a meaning in death
     

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