If No Consciousness Exists, By What Right Does The Universe?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Cyperium, May 22, 2021.

  1. river

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    The Existence of the Universe is not based on living forms . The Existence of the Universe is based on Temperature . The Periodic table .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, perhaps a more accurate statement is ; Our existence is based on temperature.
    But stuff and life was here long before man said : "You say Hello, I say Goodbye".

    The continued existence of the Universe depends on its inherent potentials, of which the Periodic Table is one potential become manifest. Remarkable in itself, being that the entire Periodic Table on which everything in the universe is based, consists of only a few elementary self-organizing particles.

    The organizing principle? The big "M" .........

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  5. river

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    No the big M , Mathematics has nothing to do with the existence of any organizing principle . Mathematics discovers the organizing principle . Mathematics can't create anything without reference to anything physical . Thats a fact .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Mathematics don't create anything. It is the function how everything is created. Input <--> Function <--> Output.
     
  8. river

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    True , mathematics in and of its self has no possibility to exist in and of its self And That should be obvious .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, Mathematics don't need to exist per se. It is part of the abstract essence of how things work and cannot do otherwise. All physical objects are essentially mathematical patterns. Products of Natural Logic.

    Philosophy of mathematics - Wikipedia
    Logicism.
    "When philosophy discovers something wrong with science, sometimes science has to be changed—Russell's paradox comes to mind, as does Berkeley's attack on the actual infinitesimal—but more often it is philosophy that has to be changed. I do not think that the difficulties that philosophy finds with classical mathematics today are genuine difficulties; and I think that the philosophical interpretations of mathematics that we are being offered on every hand are wrong, and that "philosophical interpretation" is just what mathematics doesn't need".
    .......more

    Popper's two senses of number statements[edit]
    ....much more...

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Philosophy_of_mathema...
     
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  10. river

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    These Patterns of Natural Logic is Governed by how Physical objects interact with themselves and other Physical object(s) . Mathematics , in and of its self cannot produce a physical object ; without referring to a physical object of some kind in the first place . It can't be done . Mathematics measures thing(s) .
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, human mathematics measure things. I think we've been through this before.
    Mathematics do not need to produce a physical object. The formation of objects are governed (guided) by universal mathematics (potentials), which in turn are based on inherent logic of the dynamical spacetime fabric

    You always cite a great example of Table of Elements, and I agree because it is clearly a catalog of self-forming mathematical patterns, created from a few fundamental values and forces (constants).
     
  12. river

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    Potentials of what exactly ? And what of Anomalies .
     
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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, anomalies are caused by the dynamics of spacetime. As Bohm posits spacetime is like a giant river (field) in constant motion (waves) with eddies and currents. And just as a meandering river everything is always in a state of flux until the wave motion is collapsed and the underlying mathematics are revealed.....

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  14. river

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    Spacetime dynamics ? Really ?

    Non-sense .
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Not really.

    Space–Time Dynamics

    Abstract
    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-04084-9_10
     
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    You know my position. Without space there is no time.

    Time is the emergent temporal result of durations of spatial (physical) dynamics.
     
  18. river

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    Correction

    Time is the result of temporal measurement of movement of objects . Duration is irrelevant . All objects will have their own movements .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Spatial dynamics are movement. There are several types of duration ,
    Measurement of existence, movement, and absence of movement between change. i.e. spatial dynamics give rise to temporal durations of every single object, pattern of objects , and duration of space itself , i.e. spacetime. (13.8 BY)
     
  20. river

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    Explain " Spatial dynamics " .
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Everything in the universe is moving. There is not a single quantum field, atom, planet, star, or galaxy that is stationary. Everything is in motion and has dynamical properties, such as a wave function or gravitational and EM forces associated with dynamical potentials of spacetime.

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    One manifestation of general relativity is gravitational waves, depicted here as created by two colliding black holes. the fabric of space-time.(Image credit: R. Hurt/Caltech-JPL)

    https://www.space.com/17661-theory-general-relativity.html
     
  22. river

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    What a bunch of BS .

    Dynamical Potential of spacetime ?
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Are you surprised? Why?
    AFAIK , all of science is based on the Dynamical Potentials of spacetime geometry.

    Potential function in dynamical systems and the relation with Lyapunov function

    Abstract:
    https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6003378[/quote]
     

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