If No Consciousness Exists, By What Right Does The Universe?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    More it requires a brain

    Being conscious is being awake and aware

    Consciousness seems a puzzle to some along the lines of "How can a mostly water organ contemplate the Universe?"

    My 2 cents, being conscious is being awake and aware, having consciousness is being awake and aware that YOU ARE awake and aware and circling around "How am I doing it?"

    Once it clicks you are only a collection of chemicals engaged in a very complex activity (thinking about thinking) the goal is to work out HOW the process began

    Onto the stage comes religion, which informs the masses "We KNOW"

    Of course they don't, but they spin a good story

    Religion, plague on humanity, unfortunately giving unverified stories for years

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  3. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I agree that religion is generally bs, unless it is interpreted very metaphorically. Also, being conscious does not require a brain. It is very improbable that it would occur without one however.
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Being conscious is being awake and aware. No brain, no awareness

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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    When does sensory awareness become conscious awareness? Sensory awareness starts very early on in even brainless organisms.
    Paramecium have no brain but respond positively to sensory stimulus. So do Slime mold, which have no brain but display remarkable abilities, solving mazes by chemical marking and have demonstrated memory of time intervals.

    Does slime mold have memory?

    Slime moulds’ memories are totally tubular
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00478-1

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    The slime mould Physarum polycephalum boasts a network of tubes that expand and contract when exposed to nutrients. Credit: Ray Simons/Science Photo Library

    Behold the brain of the slime mold. It consists of "microtubules", that also allow the organism to walk as a pseudopod.
    p.s. (see subforum Pseudoscience " Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?")
     
  8. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    One can not lack a perspective from one's own perspective. Therefore, one must have a perspective from one's own perspective, In any case, with or without a brain. I would say that being aware generally correlates extremely heavily with having a brain though, perhaps even without exception!
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    What other part (feature) other than brain would you suggest MIGHT produce awareness?

    Awareness, not just a reflex reaction

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  10. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    Awareness is not produced. It is just impossible for one to not be self aware, for reasons I just mentioned. I was looking into how it might correlate with brain processes however and I came across some interesting information about microtubules, presented to me by one anesthesiologist dr stuart hameroff, who proposes that awareness is the result of quantum processes inside of these microtubules, inside of neurons, and In particular inside of 3 giant pyramidical motor neurons.
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Are you implying you are self aware when sleep OR have been knocked unconscious????

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  12. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I dream. I don't remember ever having been knocked unconscious, however. Anyway, there are special cases which are not exceptions to my claim despite your implication in which one might skip a particular period of time. That's not the same as being unaware, per se. It is just time travel.
     
  13. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I'm pretty sure that people generally skip the frame of time in which they are in a deep sleep.
     
  14. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I'm honestly surprised that nobody has knocked me unconscious. I'm sure many would like to.
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Lost me so I will leave you with your thoughts and definitions

    Cheers

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  16. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    How did I lose you? I don't make up definitions.
     
  17. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    Sorry.
     
  18. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    How can I explain it better?
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Implies you think (equate) dreaming as being self aware

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  20. river

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    Explain further what you mean , clearly .
     
  21. river

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    Disagree

    Awareness is produced through experience .
     
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