If Trump gets back in?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Xelasnave.1947, May 11, 2020.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That was also true in 2016. It got lost in the email and Benghazi circus. It will get lost again, or deflected into a rehash of the Kavanaugh appointment debacle, or denigrated as an attempt to "politicize" the Supreme Court.

    Problem is, almost no one wants to vote for Biden or ever will. The more people find out about his record, the more they listen to him talk, the less likely they are to vote for him. He has no leftwing credibility at all. Lots of people want to vote against Trump, but that is an unstable motive for any but the unusually well informed. It depends on an unceasing and rigorous and money-losing reporting of straight news about Trump and his campaign by a corporate media that just recently fell all over themselves to hire Fox castoffs and "NeverTrump" bullshit peddlers into pundit cadres that do not include a single leftist or established leftwing analyst.

    So vote suppression tactics are likely to be effective this November unless fought hard - obstacles to voting will not be overcome by enthusiasm. The Dems need to put a lot of work into creating grim determination among people who do not normally vote.

    Think John Kerry, older and more corrupt and less capable of coherent public speaking.
     
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  3. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    When Trump wins we will see the exact same reaction to his first win. We're already seeing the "he won't accept the results of the election" stuff we saw last time, even though it was clearly democrats who didn't accept the results, with their "not my president", etc.. And democrat governors and mayors are already enabling riots (not charging them while cracking down on legal business owners and churches reopening) and then trying to smear Trump for the hate leftists are clearly the source of. There will be no civil war, because the left are the only ones dumb enough to start one and the right the only ones armed enough to finish one. But leftists are pretty dumb. Everyone working toward a better future hinges squarely upon the left learning to compromise again, instead of just demanding their way like stubborn children. And a third term is a paranoid leftist scare tactic, in hopes of turning out the vote they failed to do for Hillary.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Typical right wing redneck rhetoric.
     
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  7. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Doesn't matter if the rhetoric is true, and you offer no argument against it...except your genetic fallacy.
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I would be more concerned about your own genetic fallacies and make a genuine attempt to get your country out of the deep shit its in now. But instead you sound like Donald Duck, your President, generally recognised the world over, both left and right of the political spectrum, as a fucking loony!
     
  9. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously you don't even know what a genetic fallacy is. And that ignorance is only further demonstrated in your opinions of a country you don't even live in. Outside of the US, there is no libertarian right, so foreign opinions don't mean much. FYI, it's the leftists in the US allowing rioting in the cities/states they govern. Where, coincidentally, they have stricter gun control. IMO, they can destroy their own cities/states all they like. Maybe one day they'll learn better than crapping in their own wells.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Arse up again old son, as I mentioned in the other America/Trump thread that I started, I do recognise that I'm speaking as an outsider.
    But I also recognise that your rhetoric seems to convey and liken to a right wing Trump redneck racist supporter, who cares nothing about the riots, deaths and such, and instead, like his idol Donald, has a "fuck you, I'm alright Jack" mentality.
    As I said in the beginning in that other thread, thank fuck I am an Aussie!

    I would also add that a while ago, an Australian Lady in the States somewhere, phoned the cops after hearing a noise...as she was home alone. The cops came, and she ventured outside to meet them as was shot dead, by one of them...a black cop incidentally.
    What a terrible trigger happy, gun loving culture you Americans live under!!
     
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  11. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Admitting you're an outsider doesn't make your opinion any less ignorant. It actually just makes your ignorance willful. Instead of guessing at what you think someone's rhetoric you simplistically stereotype means, maybe you should just ask. Racism is assuming blacks can't succeed on their own, can't obey the law, or can't help but riot and loot. That's what US leftists think, and why they are so lenient to rioting, looting, and crime in general. I would prefer they maintain order, so no lives or property is lost, but I don't have a say in what other states do. Just a fact.

    Australia has its own history and ongoing problems with aboriginal racism, sexual assault, etc..

    One cop, who went to prison, does not make a whole country trigger happy. Most gun violence here is black on black. https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/23/health/gun-deaths-in-men-by-state-study/index.html
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's called honesty in informing others as to the situation, you know honesty, something you and a couple of other religious fanatics are devoid of.
    If the cap fits, wear it. [Obviously again, I have hit the nail on the noggin!

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  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, as I have mentioned elsewhere, but we still ain't a gun toting, redneck society where there are more guns then people. Most people in Australia have never held a gun, I would suggest...myself, other then in the army cadets at school and a .303 Enfield rifle, neither have I.
     
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    Vociferous.

    You are completely deluded.

    You blame the leftists for everything and turn a blind eye to the evil cop who started the outrage.
    How wrong could you possibly get this?

    A quick question for you...., seriously, how lifeless did the guy need to be before the fuckwit cop thought that he and all his armed buddies had this guy subdued?

    I seriously doubt you have the capacity to answer that honestly.

    looks alarmingly like you’ve had the capacity for honesty beaten out of you decades ago.

    Prove me wrong.
     
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  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Right in all you have said. I've crossed swords with this bible thumping fanatical creationist in the religious sub forum.
     
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    Ignorant straw man that anyone has ignored the cop. Condemning riots and looting is not mutually exclusive with condemning illegal behavior from police. As both are illegal, I'm consistent in condemning both. So do you have the moral consistency to condemn the rioting and looting the way I also condemn such cops? Or are you just a partisan, blindly attacking any "other"?
     
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  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I am very left for a capitalist but I can agree with your reasonable observation.
    Two wrongs don't make a right.
    As I understand the cop has been charged with murder so perhaps the riots could be left undone.
    Unfortunately he is probably only guilty of manslaughter and I say unfortunately because that is the charge that is no doubt appropriate.
    However riots are never justified in my view.
    Alex
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I understand they are more concerned with the lack of action with the other two [three?] lumps of shit coppers that were with him, aiding in the arrest.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    He stole.
    That's not the same as winning.
    And hiring police who kill black people without apparent qualm.
    Look at the expression, the attitude, of the guy kneeling on Floyd's neck for eight minutes.
    You talking about Trump's disorderly familia again? They are doing lots of looting, and committing crimes daily. Or is it the police this time, urged by you to maintain order and not kill people by asphyxiating them in their handcuffs on the street in broad daylight, or shooting them six times at a traffic stop in front of their wife and four year old child.

    But you have a point: had the Democrat (not "leftist") Klobuchar not treated that cop - and the other cops involved, but the kneeler in particular - so leniently in the past, they would have been off the force long ago. Treating the police leniently, coddling and covering for the cops, has long been a practice of Democratic Party government officials in Minnesota - and the price is being paid now.
    Nonsense.
    In Minnesota they are trying to defuse a bad situation created mostly by Trump supporters - from the cop who killed Floyd to the apparent agents provocateurs selecting black owned businesses in odd locations (value of inventory seems to be a criterion) to loot and burn - without getting anyone else hurt.

    So far there's no evidence that Minneapolis police or Federal agents are actually supplying the firebombs and bricks to the more violent protesters, as they seem to have been doing in New York and Seattle over the years. But that's not out of character for them.
    This is traditional in Minneapolis and Saint Paul - usually the confirmation of their affiliations appears only long after the fact, as happened in 2008 with the Republican Convention in Minneapolis and also with the Occupy crowd over that long time, but the flagrancy of their behavior is drawing attention from even the corporate news platforms this time around.
    You have ignored the cops - the several cops.
    They are depraved, they are violent and bullying, they are deeply racist, and they are Trump supporters.
    The police in Minnesota and Minneapolis and Saint Paul are not leftists, and Minnesota does not have "strict" gun control.
    So?
    Minnesota has one of the lower firearm homicide rates among black men in the US.
    It has a fairly high rate of police abuse of black people - and red people. I don't know much about brown people's experiences, but there's no reason to assume they've been good.
     
  21. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    And fired, and his wife filed for divorce. I doubt that satisfies a mob like a lynching would.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes a good lynching...certainly that would have been the best option..think of how it may have headed off all that property damage and how all could be satisfied that justice was done...
    I expect that officers are trained to follow the "neck proceedure" I wonder if that training will be reviewed.
    All very sad.
    Alex
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Are you really serious? Stole? Like it was always rightfully the Dems entitlement to the white house..never anyone else's such that he "stole"..could it be that stupid attitude contributed to failure? Grow up.

    The dems failed, they were just too smug and under estimated their opponent would be a fair call.
    Underestimating your opponent is a kiddy fail ...and having done so they sook..it is pitiful...it's a serious business one needs to do more than sook.

    And what have they done to win office next time..come on tell me how they have learned from their mistakes...Nancy showing how childish one can be by ripping up the speech..give me strength...how many votes do you think that could cost..get real..then unwinable impeachment ..how many votes did that cost...you dont play to the converted you try to convert your opposition..but I expect that is just too advanced for dems...it politics its pretty simple yet dems just fail and leave folk thinking left wing is just a bunch of fools..what hope do you have of introducing social reform by sooking..none..absolutely none..and set back the cause as well unfortunately...dems are making the left a laughing stock.

    It ticks me off that you have Trump in power and you don't have the intelligence to win at the next election.
    It's not his fault that the Dems are simply incompetent...you say he is stupid etc and yet you cant beat him..where does that leave you...cant beat someone with exposable faults and just stupid..where does that leave you.

    I am more left than you and frankly I would not vote for them if I was over there.

    Alex
     

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