If Trump gets back in?

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  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Specifically you believe that Genesis 1 and 2 don't contradict each other, even though it is trivially easy to prove that they do. They contradict each other because they are two different stories, written by two different authors, based on two different oral traditions. They are unrelated - which is why they contradict each other.

    Doesn't even take a Biblical scholar to know that.
    Antifascists approaching Omaha beach in 1944. They were really mean too, shooting people and whatnot. Too bad you weren't around then to call them fascists, eh?
     

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  3. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Those liberal fascists were opposing the rights of German EU citizens to vacation on the beaches of France. This is the kind of xenophobia that makes black people do drugs and suffer instead of working productively and cooperating with the police.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. To any real Trump supporter, they are nothing but violent Antifa thugs who don't care about freedom, independence or private property.
     
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  7. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Next thing they're gonna return to segregation and have beaches where even American Nazis aren't allowed to go, this is what you get for having the right to vote!
     
  8. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    No, sadly, that's your own motivated reasoning and ignorance at work. But Dunning-Kruger won't allow you to ever recognize that.

    Just because someone calls themselves antifascists doesn't make it true, unless you're a dupe. Actions speak louder than words. So yes, where people fought actual fascism, it was true. Where people try to stifle free speech, use cancel culture, dox and try to get people fired, and use unnecessary violence, they are fascists.
     
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    Why did Moses flee Egypt just to send his people to a fully Egyptian-colonized and militarily-occupied Canaan? How come it took 600,000 fighting Hebrews with magical horns a full week to conquer the farming village of Jericho?

    Yeah especially if those Antifa fascists were to try and get the director of the FBI fired for investigating them- banish the thought! He's the one who enables them in the first place, I'll bet that's exactly how they'd repay him if they had the chance, being the Satan-worshipping hellspawn they are.
     
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  10. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Non sequitur.

    What the actual f are you on about?
     
  11. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Did you get to the part where Thomas the Tank Engine meets Cammy the Cargo Hauler yet? Oh sorry I forgot you come from a parallel universe where James Comey and the story of Moses never even existed.
     
  12. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, the non sequiturs never end.
     
  13. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Is that you talking or just the avatar?
     
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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Just facts.
    Correct. Anti-fascists fight fascism. And when they fight white supremacy and far right extremism, that's exactly what they are doing.

    Remember the Nazis? The KKK? The white supremacists and white nationalists who once ran most of the US? Under Trump they are making a comeback in the US. And Antifa is fighting those "very fine people" as Trump describes them.
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Does the KKK still operate? How active are they? If yes, why hasn't any past President banned this horrible extremist group?
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    As of 2017 there were 29 active KKK chapters in the US. They are not banned because of the first amendment.
     
  18. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    And most of them are new ones that have only been around for a couple of years, because other chapters keep closing.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, they are often in flux since they are so detested by most people. And they tend to steal each other's members.
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Keep telling yourself that.

    It's not about who you fight. People can always come up with motivated reasoning to justify to themselves attacking just about anyone. It's about the tactics you use. If they include suppressing speech, threatening people and their livelihoods, and violence, you might be a fascist.

    Yes, the Nazi brownshirts and KKK robes are very reminiscent of black hoodie clad antifa. The only white supremacists and white nationalists who ran the US were Democrats. Guilt by association is a fallacy. And if you believe the lie that "very fine people" referred to white supremacists, that's your own motivated reasoning at work.
     
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    And the more facts you are presented with, the more you'll dismiss them with strawmen, non sequitur and any other fabricated remark you can muster.
    What were you saying about intellectual honesty?
     
  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Where do you get your information? Really, this is bizarre.

    "Antifa" is just a word for a loose collection of autonomous groups that are opposed to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology. The Nazis, on the other hand, were extreme right-wing fascists.

    In other words, the two things - if "antifa" even exists as a coherent grouping, which is doubtful - are precise opposites of one another.

    Who are you referring to?

    Are you referring to Trump's comments that there were "very fine people" on "both sides" of the events that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia in 2017?

    Which "sides" was Trump talking about there, in your opinion? That event was a protest against white supremacy, was it not? A man was killed when a white supremacist deliberately ran him down with his car. Is this one of the "very fine people" you're referring to?
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Don't need to. Anyone can read the Bible and see the facts, even if you prefer they remain ignorant.
    Given that "Antifa" stands for anti-fascists, it is about who you fight.
    The US fought fascists in World War II. Do you think that's irrelevant, too?
    And if you drop nuclear bombs on civilian cities - not just threaten people and tell them not to talk - then your tactics indicate you are even more fascist than that? (Unless, of course, you think that telling people not to talk is worse than killing 350,000 people with nuclear weapons. From the nonsense you've spewed here that wouldn't surprise me.)
    So you believe the Proud Boys, Evropa, the KKK, the American Nazi Party, the Boogaloos, the Council of Conservative Citizens, the Supreme Order of Caucasians, Christian Identity and the White Patriot Party are all democrats? Fascinating!
    Sorry about this but I am going to post the actual transcript here. I know your hatred for facts, but here it is. Let's see you spin this:
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    Reporter: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

    Trump: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

    Reporter: . . . . both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the . . .

    Trump: Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.

    Reporter: The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest . . .

    Trump: Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
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    Trump was answering a direct question about the neo-Nazis. He said there were "very bad people in that group but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

    Now, one two three - SPIN IT!
     

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