Imagination.

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am not relying on the similarities. I am relying on the "definitions".

    proof, noun
    1. 1.
      evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.
      "you will be asked to give proof of your identity"

      Similar: evidence, verification, corroboration, authentication, confirmation, certification, validation
    Definitions from Oxford Languages

    If there is a remarkable difference, please explain it to me.

    There is a certain irony in this very item of contention ....

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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Can evidence be made up of many proofs?
    or can proof be made up of many evidences?
    or when is evidence transformed into a proof?
    The words are indeed similar but one ( proof) is conclusive ( generally speaking ) where as the other ( evidence) is generally inconclusive. For if evidence becomes conclusive it becomes a proof.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    As far as I can determine, "evidence" is a more formal term than "proof". It is mainly used as a legal term.
    OTOH, the term "proof" has many applications and by that standard it might be considered a colloquialism as compared to the more formal term evidence.

    "The proof is in the pudding", "Fool-proof", "Burden of proof"

    Evidence (law) - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_(law)

    Proof - Oxford Dictionary
    What is proof Oxford dictionary?
    Definition of proof
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proof
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I hereby dub thee Mr. Dictionary Boy.
     
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I wrote a piece a while back which is basically a checklist to see if you are reading woo. One of the points on the checklist is:

    4) Webster Rescue. Often when a crank is losing an argument he will resort to redefining words to try to ameliorate a previous error. For example: "The results you have presented show greater than 100% efficiency, which is thermodynamically impossible." "Well, really, what's the definition of efficiency? Can't it mean that . . . " He will then search out various online dictionaries until he finds a definition that is at least not entirely clear, at which point he will claim that that's the definition that is in common use.
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's a good thing then that I do not use such obscure definitions......

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    My definitions are found in every dictionary, more or less identically worded.

    Moreover, Oxford and Websters are considered to be authoritative in definitions of English words. That's why I always link the source. You'll never see me link to Billy Joe Bob's country recipes of gourmet Nutria.

    I would rather consult a real chef!

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    Check out this video: Watch Chef Philippe prepare Nutria à la Provençale, from skinning the rodent to final dish!

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    Mmmmmm, scrumptious!
     
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  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    No...you are still missing the point..ahh my bad...
    try:
    Detective: We have a knife with evidence of the alleged perp's fingerprints on the handle. We therefore have proof that the knife was at some time held by the alleged perp.
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I think I mentioned that "evidence always provides proof of something", ok?

    Anymore trivia questions?
     
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  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I doesn't "always" though. A stab wound in the victim is evidence but it doesn't "prove" anything except the tautology that he was stabbed.
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK!

    Tautology (logic)
     
  16. river

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    But did not create the ball .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What is it that is not clear with this statement:
     
  18. river

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    Where is the physical ? What creates the ball ?
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What creates a sphere?
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Or when is evidence of what transformed into proof of what? It depends on the required proof, no?

    If the evidence satisfies the required proof, the evidence is sufficient as proof.
     
  21. river

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    From posts#136
    The physical .
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why not a cube?
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Go within to unleash your mind, the clouded city is a giant globe outside the cosmos, with the cosmos within. You go out one end and get around to the other, that is pac man theory. Science is an angel, and Omni took the leap of faith by her side, and In Love fell with grace as well. They only rises from here. In Heaven life was foretold as a legend, and history protects it. War was inevitable, it had waited for an eternity; It has nothing but a game based on its life, then for a short while violence occurred. The devil will die, or become an empty vessel and tumble and fall forever, unless we choose to eliminate hell, but the dragon is eternal, the other one rules the underworld the domain of the rival make believer. I hold four three values very deeply in my heart; mutual love, mutual peace, mutual war, and mutual respect. With out perfect Faith, there is no perfect Love. If someone strikes faith with sadism, strike it with depression and hopelessness. Literally make it suffer, you can see it on their face, and here it in their mind.
     
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