In defence of space aliens

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Leaving aside your continued deflection re admitting to being an avowed atheist, which individuals identifying themselves as IDers have you not attacked for being an IDer? Name one.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    If they all crusade against science, I'll refute as others do.
    If they preach to their like minded folk, great! May the blessings of their chosen deity be upon them.

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  5. river

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    Your science is old thinking pad , your stuck in the past .
     
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  7. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    No further questions. Bye.
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, my science is current thinking, and is supported by evidence, just as the so called Alien visitations and nonsensical paranormal crap pushed by some, lacks scientific evidence.
     
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  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nice Mick!

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  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That's what we hear about every paranormal video, that it's "the best documented case of poltergeist activity" yet after wasting time watching it, find it to be as lacking in poltergeist activity as the intelligence that went into making the video. The response to that is usually more videos to watch.

    It's not that poltergeist activity is not being allowed, it's the fact it's proponents refuse to use intelligence, critical thought and reason.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    He (Boriska Kipriyanovich) claims they are all reincarnations and referred to as "Indigo Children" who have supernatural abilities and survived the Martian wars.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4867116/russian-boy-born-on-mars-boriska-kipriyanovich/

    That explains a lot.

    "Some parents choose to label their children who have been diagnosed with learning disabilities as an indigo child to alternatively diagnose them. Critics view this as a way for parents to avoid considering pediatric treatment or a psychiatric diagnosis." wiki
     
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  15. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Easy to assert. No. Outright discounting the first hand witness testimonies of those interviewed: Police, newspaper and BBC journalists, cameraman, neighbors, and paranormal investigators, you are really labeling them all as either liars or delusional. Neither of which matches the vivid accounts of the clearly sane and responsible folks involved. Excepting perhaps the long haired adult Janet Hodgson who is admittedly somewhat weird in demeanor.

    The one go to guy skeptic interviewed merely kept suggesting they either made it all up or used trickery for all recorded events or talked each other into believing things that never happened. His one positive example was of two paranormal investigators who experienced nothing out of the ordinary during their brief stay. Lucky or unlucky for them depending on one's outlook. All the others had better 'luck'. Which simply demonstrates a mischievous entity has every freedom to be choosy and apparently erratic in behavior.

    I won't bother listing other encounters with poltergeist/spirits/ghosts witnessed by one or multiple police and/or journalists who were all previously outright skeptics.
    Anyone can do a search and dig up plenty of examples. Those like yourself who are hardened against accepting such evidence would never be persuaded save for first hand experience. Even then you would probably put it down to hallucination or such.
     
  16. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Interestingly, iirc JR and crew demanded paranormal behavior be demonstrated at their studio location. And refused to investigate sites infamous for poltergeist etc. activity. Little wonder then he never encountered any.
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Is that right? Perhaps you recall incorrectly?
    Irrespective, your welcome to go your way and your belief in ghosts, goblins and conspiracies, Í'll continue to ask for the extraordinary evidence for such unlikely extraordinary claims, OK?
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    A paranormal explanation is even more problematic than an alien explanation.

    At least the alien explanation can exist within the current known physics of nature and doesn't require new dimensions and/or new physics to be invented out of whole cloth just to support the idea.

    For now, the (creatures that live in this universe with these laws of physics) model is the simplest and easiest to defend.

    If you really want to add all that to your workload, it would be in your best interest to start a new, dedicated thread to explore paranormals as UFOs.
     
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  19. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Found one example where Randi along with others tried to investigate an alleged Poltergeist infested house but was refused entry:
    https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4448
    The verdict was trickery explained that case. So? Every case should be treated on its own merits. The Enfield encounters did include pranks played by the children involved, but those minor events were known to and expected by the investigators and could never account for the bulk of paranormal manifestations experienced.
     
  20. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. You totally altered every aspect of that original posting. Thinking on the hop? One common aspect though is your avoidance of dealing with the specifics of Enfield case linked to earlier. Just blather on about how unlikely it all seems to you.
     
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    https://www.popsci.com/story/science/ghosts-real-science/

    Great stuff q-reeus, and fits in admirably with your beliefs in the rest of the spiritual and conspiracy nonsense that have finally been revealed. Like I said, go ahead and fool yourself. A shame though seeing someone who obviously has some talent, sink to the depths of so much unscientific nonsense. Still, as I said earlier, even the Pope probably went to Uni.
     
  22. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    See #4323, #4350. You invariably avoid investigating and dealing with specifics of well researched cases that contradict your narrow and highly prejudiced worldview. Same old same old.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As always, the onus remains on the claimant.
    I've said nothing about how "unlikely" anything seems. No "paranormal" argument has been put forth for analysis.

    Now, do you have anything on-topic to contribute? Or is it just ad homs all the way down?
     

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