In defence of space aliens

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I doubt anyone has been abducted by aliens. There should be DNA of some type one would think, that would be evidence of such an occurrence. Kind of like a person’s fingerprints that are left behind in a crime scene. The fact that there is no evidence that can be monitored and tested could lead one to dismissing that any abductions have happened.

    Lack of evidence means it didn’t happen?
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Good point. Tks!
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Cool. I've never heard of a dropsonde before.

    "An unclassified image that’s reportedly been circulated among U.S. intelligence agencies shows what appears to be unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), the Pentagon’s term for unidentified flying objects. The object in the photo has been described by U.S. officials as silver and “cube-shaped,...”

    https://digg.com/news/link/leaked-g...ss-cube-shaped-ufo-BERVSexWn8?utm_source=digg


    One curious little excerpt:

    “Pilots who encountered the object described that, unlike a balloon under similar conditions, the object was completely motionless and seemingly unaffected by ambient air currents

    There you go. Defense officials and expert pilots (who are often lauded by some as virtually infallible) seem to believe that they can detect the motion of ambient air currents - while they themselves are moving at 580 knots (the cruising speed of an F-18).

    Pilots make mistakes.
    Pilots draw conclusions they have no business drawing.
    Officials will confirm claims that they have no business confirming.
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It can mean it didn't happen, or simply that we cannot assume Alien controlled, in whatever manner the pro UFO conspiracy people want to push.
    The ironic thing wegs, is that most astronomers and cosmologists, are all generally positive that we are not alone [me included!] and most of them would dearly love to have that validated before we kick the bucket. The near infinite extent of the universe...the near infinite content...the stuff of life being everywhere we look. Isn't it then logical, that if we did have the extraordinary evidence, to validate the extraordinary claim that we are not alone, that the same astronomers and cosmologists would be gleefully grabbing it with both hands and proclaiming the validity of mankind's greatest question.
     
  8. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Or much more likely, the pilots had at their disposal advanced avionics etc. perfectly capable of reporting the objects true speed/velocity wrt ground, easily able to account for aircraft speed/velocity. Making your negative commentary a bad guess joke.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    A ufo sighting is not the kind of event that typically leaves evidence for itself. But there are cases where it will land and leave traces on the ground and vegetation. Here's a substantial list of some of those cases that occurred in Australia alone between 1927 and 2004.

    http://www.project1947.com/kbcat/kbtrace0505.htm
     
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  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    And how many of them have been confirmed and validated as Alien controlled and/or directed craft?
    Answering mankind's greatest ever question.
     
  11. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    Would it make you seem ''mentally ill and paranoid'' just for asking for extraordinary evidence for an extraordinary claim? No one is saying it could not happen.
     
  12. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks MR, I’ll check it out.
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    And if they claim they saw a magical merry-go-round drop down out of the sky, you believe it. Along with the fairies and the goblins in the closet and the monsters under the bed.

    Yes, and then you add your own interpretation, laden with wishful thinking and fantasy.

    Pointing out why evidence is unpersuasive is not "being a jerk" or "whining". You should stop whining and realise that.

    Not just alleged. Thoroughly studied and documented in the peer-reviewed literature, as well as elsewhere.

    No. You're an outlier at one extreme end of the gullibility spectrum - a position you share with Q-reeus.

    You assume that "a thing" has been seen over and over thousands of times. The fact of the matter is that we only have thousands of reports of people who claim to have seen a thing that they have interpreted in a particular way - a way that is not at all well evidenced. But you already know this.
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Not at all.

    But it is certainly up to those who allege that something happened in a particular way to provide sufficient evidence to convince anybody else. When it's an extraordinary claim, very convincing evidence is needed.
     
  15. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Bating much? Reported UAP/UFO activity I have endorsed has had credible evidence backing that position. Which you have invariably cast aspersions on via absurd connections to alleged mundane phenomena or human and/or equipment error, or very often just cheap ridicule. The snaky James R MO.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Q-reeus:

    You're the guy who believes that UFOs are paranormal beings from another dimension, or something. What credible evidence do you have to support that belief?
     
  17. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Conflating there substantive evidence for the non-mundane nature of selected UFO encounters (the focus of my last post), with necessarily speculative ideas about what such UFOs 'really are'. You along with anyone else who has followed this thread know very well what my reasons for believing non-mundane UFOs are paranormal in category. Bizarre behavior and characteristics, to be very brief. Elaborated on in many previous posts YOU HAVE WELL READ AND KNOW. Then again you also are well aware of the mounting recognition in military circles that non-mundane UFO encounters are real and well evidenced over many decades of reliable reports and permanent recordings. Lots of links to that already supplied.
     
  18. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    It's baiting q-reeus! that makes 3-3 But enough with the pedant.
    Credible evidence as you put it, is not conclusive evidence, and probably just evidence of something unknown.Unknown, or unexplained if you like, does not equate to Aliens.
    So I actually need to agree with James [you know, that good buddy bosom friend of mine, like my good mod friends at the other forum that you so wisely noticed and picked up on]
    Show me any evidence where any official military notice/article, has said they are anything but unexplained UFO's.
    Really q-reeus it's simply your own gullibility that seemingly, automatically assume some Alien, be it fifth dimensional, or whatever non mundane interpretation you have decided to go along with.
    When Aliens land in my backyard and ask me to take them to my Leader, or land on the White House lawns, and make their m existence known, then all we are able to go with is unexplained/unknown/unidentified.
    As I said to wegsy, most including me, believe Aliens exist, somewhere, sometime, for the reasons I have stated many times, but as yet, we have no conclusive evidence of any extraterrestrials anywhere in the Universe, let alone having visited Earth.
    I hope that is confirmed before I kick the bucket.
     
  19. Q-reeus Valued Senior Member

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    Of course that's what the military publicly at least defer to. And you confused things as usual. I wrote the military recognize the reality of the UFO encounters. Quite separate from explaining what such critters 'really are'.
     
  20. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    OK, point taken...that being then it is only the uninitiated gullible riff raff that then claim Aliens? Gotcha!!

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  21. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    What would be convincing evidence (to you) in terms of proof of alien spacecrafts? I’m not sure we know what we’re looking for. I mean, what is the reference point?
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'll take a crack at that.

    A flying saucer landing in central park and little green men emerging to submit themslves to medical analysis - that would certainly be convincing. But that's not the minimum. The point is: there's a huge range of scenarios short of this that would still be convincing.

    A minimum requirement is extant evidence. i.e. evidence that sticks around long enough to be examinable by multiple independent analyses and published publicly.

    That's still not necessarily convincing, but it is a minimum. There is little point in being convinced by anything less than something we can go back to and re-analyze.
     
  23. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    The Earth is conquered and we are made slaves to serve alien overlords.
     

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