UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Whether you believe me or not is completely unimportant.
     
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  3. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I do? When do I do that?
     
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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Same time I do the shit you posted.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I thought. More made up shit by the skeptic brigade.
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    When have I gone out and investigated a ufo sighting hoping they're "little green men"?
     
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  9. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    MR, what would you consider yourself to be, an active or armchair ufologist ? That's if you think of yourself as a ufologist at all.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I am a student of ufos and ufology. Just as I am of many other subjects.
     
  11. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Do you agree, alot of ufo sightings rely on people's ''just say so''?
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    On eyewitness? Many do. Just like news reports do. Many others rely on trace evidence as well. Bodily effects. Charred vegetation. Landing marks or residue. Photos. Radiation.
     
  13. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    In all the time you have being reading and looking at pictures of ufo's, which to you, is the best and perhaps favourable, sighting? And which is the best, to you again, the most favourable event of trace evidence of a ufo? And, what links that trace evidence to a flying object?
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I have many compelling ufo cases. Start here:

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=MajorCase

    And here's a listing of compelling trace evidence ufo cases:

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/PhysicalEvidence.htm

    Here's some compelling ufo photos. There are too many good ones to just choose one.

     
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  15. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, thanks.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The truth is that Magical Realist has no system for telling the difference between persuasive UFO cases and junk ones. All are at the same level, as far as he is concerned; all are "compelling". If there's a hint of one of the cases collapsing under it's own weight, MR just moves on to a different one.

    I've asked him in the past to provide one, or a few, of the absolute best cases he can come up with out of his collection of thousands, for both ghosts and UFOs. When he has responded to such requests, and I have looked into a few of the cases he has presented, they have inevitably proved to have holes big enough to drive a truck through.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    A lot of the photos in that video practically debunk themselves.

    Look at all the thrown-pie-plate ones, for example. Just too obvious. Then there are the obvious photoshop efforts. And then there are the ones from the 1950s, in which the UFOs all look just like the ones in the 1950s sci-fi movies - a product of their era.

    Worth asking: has alien technology improved since 1950, so that today's UFOs look more sleek and streamlined than the 1950s UFOs? Why are today's alien spacecraft just like the alien spaceships we see in movies with modern CGI, whereas past spacecraft so often look like the kinds of plates-hanging-from-strings that we used to see in B movies?

    Then we also have some bad photography of the sun, or reflections into the lens from some light source. Then there are the typical blurred or scratchy photos that are just so bad you can't tell what you're looking at.

    There are the most compelling photos, are they? Ho hum.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    James is lying as usual. I provided up to 17 compelling cases on youtube videos in a past thread which noone here was able to refute. I mentioned the Portage County case, and it took a long protracted 16 pages of debate for James to absurdly conclude it was a meteor, the moon, and weather balloon that the police officers all chased for over 30 miles on that night. I've mentioned the Coyne helicopter encounter. No response. The Zimbabwe landing of 2 saucers with 60 schoolchildren seeing small beings exiting them. No response. I've mentioned the conference where numerous military officers came forward to report their sightings of ufos over nuclear missile sites. Anecdotal is all he says. I've posted links to trace evidence cases. No response. I've mentioned the 2008 Chicago O' Hare Airport saucer witnessed by many hovering and then shooting up thru the clouds. No response. So you see how one gives up after awhile presenting compelling cases when James R either ignores them or dismisses them out of hand. And then tops it all off just now with an ad hom about me not being able to tell when a case is compelling. Typical close-minded skeptic with nothing rational to say when presented with the facts.
     
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  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Why don't you research that? Explore how many shapes of ufos have been photographed and witnessed over the decades and make some useful inferences instead of making fallacious arguments from incredulity.

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  20. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    NORAD picks up a UFO every year. It resolves itself into a sleigh and some tiny reindeer.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right. When they're the clear photos of a craft, you complain they're photoshopped. And when they're not clear photos of a craft, you complain they're just refracted light or something. Thus every photo of a ufo is automatically ruled out with no further investigation of it whatsoever.
     
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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Thankyou so much for mentioning the Portage County discussion once again. Here's a link to that thread for interested readers. It appears that Magical Realist has forgotten what went wrong for him there.

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/portage-county-ravenna-ufo-chase-1966.158484/

    And, by the way, they were mostly chasing the planet Venus, not the moon, a meteor or a weather balloon. Venus is very commonly mistaken for an alien spacecraft - far more often than you might think.

    Choose ONE of these - the best one out of them, according to you - and start a separate thread on it, presenting your most "compelling" evidence. I will examine it and respond.

    I don't have endless time to chase you down every rabbit hole that captures your fleeting attention, but I'm willing to make an example of you one more time.

    A lot of the ones in that picture are easily constructed by gluing a couple of plates or trays together, spray painting them silver, then throwing them through the air and taking a photo. I could whip one up in an afternoon.

    All I'm saying is that you just posted a video that includes among its "best ever UFO photos" quite a few really obvious-looking fakes.

    But who knows? Maybe they're all 100% legitimate, like you say they are. I haven't checked. But then again, neither have you.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..there is no most compelling case that you will likely dismiss with dubious claims of fakery and ad hoc factoids about what the planet Venus looks like. But I will present again one of the many compelling cases which I have posted here already.

    You probably shouldn't whine that I'm not presenting you with compelling cases then if you can't even grow the balls to look into them.
     
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