I came up with a design for a new automobile, good for you BUT IT (automobile) DOES NOT EXIST it exists in spirit or as information. << this is NOT existence ex·ist \ig-ˈzist\ : to have actual being : to be real : to continue to be or to live Mirriam-Webster exist ɪɡˈzɪst,ɛɡˈzɪst/ verb 1. have objective reality or being. Google I could keep adding definetions but none would come up with spirit or information Please post link reference if you find different Would not matter if they were or were not aware of the idea <<< ideas do not exist Expected by whom? Cowpat Ummmm so you are contending belief in heaven and hell is information about the future whether true or not So let's go with not Prey tell if heaven and hell do not exist from whence comes the information for belief? The remainder of the post is a mix of pretzels in a can of worms tipped into a bowl of spaghetti Two hard to unravel Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!