Infractions for reporting abuse

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I received a 20 point year long infraction for reporting flaming abuse and threats by the moderators in their PM's. Is this standard procedure here? Has anyone else received 20 point year long infractions for ANYTHING? James R? Are mods so lax in their duties now that reports of abuse are now regarded as infractionable offences? And what sort of message does that send to posters here?

    "Members should abide by basic standards of good manners and courtesy when addressing other members. If another member insults you, do not return fire; report the offending post."

    FYI-- if a member is getting flamed and insulted alot and reports it as per sci forum rules, he is NOT the one being an undue burden on mod time and resources. It is the posters doing the flaming that are causing the burden, at which point the mods need to take action to stop it.
     
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  3. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You know that you're your own worst enemy when it comes to the attitudes you display on this forum, right? Respect goes both ways.

    If you tried working with the people chosen to moderate this community instead of against them, both your own (and our) experiences here would be a lot more pleasant.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Reporting abuse from members and mods is not a matter of me respecting them. It's a matter of me being respected and expecting members and mods to abide by the no flaming/no insults rule. Why is this so hard to understand? This should be a free right open to anyone at any time. Report the abuse. And expect the mods to do their job. Period. Nobody should have to worry about being infracted for reporting abuse like I have been. That's like a woman at work worrying if she will be fired or demoted if she reports sexual harassment. Such should never even enter her mind.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    You weren't being abused. You filed 3 reports on the same day, in quick succession, for a conversation you were having with staff.

    The conversation, as you are well aware, was about trying to encourage you and implore you to alter how you post on this site because as we informed you, we would no longer be treating you differently, but simply treating you the same as all other members.

    Prior to my joining that conversation, it was originally an infraction issued to you, which you then decided to dispute and did so by insulting staff. By the time I joined the conversation in the hope of trying to get you to see reason, you were abusing a moderator who was literally telling you that it had to stop and that the staff were not going to be putting up with it any further. That you had been given too many chances in the hope you would change and you refused to.

    The irony is that you initially reported the infraction PM you received. You declared that it was unfair targeting because a moderator had dared to issue an infraction for your repeated referral to a debunked study (which is a breach of this site's rules) and where you then cited this site's rules to try to force others to not question the veracity of your source.. After 4 years of being told and shown how it was debunked, you still went with it and tried to pass it off as factual and did so by trying to force others and threaten them with reporting them by citing this site's rules if they dared disagree with you. So you reported that infraction.

    You were told in the infraction that this behaviour was not acceptable, that citing debunked studies and passing it off as fact and then trying to silence anyone and everyone by quoting this site's rules as a threat to them. So you then started in on that moderator, you were dishonest several times and when he called you out on your dishonesty, you started going on about conspiracies against you. The moderator then asked if someone else could come into the conversation because really, at this point, you were off on so many strawman's that it was better if someone else could come in to try to convince you that we were not going to put up with it any longer. You were again advised that you were not going to be given any more chances by staff and that it was on you to alter how you post and to not post debunked studies to pass them as factual. And you then reported our conversations with you again. Declared we were abusing you, despite the fact that you were not being abused and despite the fact that it was you who was abusing us and swearing at us.

    You weren't being abused. You weren't being insulted. You weren't being flamed. What we put up with from you in that conversation were insults, condescending insults and abuse, being sworn at, being told that you weren't going to bother reading what we were saying, you again started demanding that the study you kept relying on was sound despite all evidence to the contrary, evidence we again cited to you and explained to you why it was debunked. So you filed more reports of our apparently abusing our moderator powers for telling you that we were not going to be giving you any more chances and making up excuses for you any longer. That is not an abuse of power, MR. That is us doing out job as we are meant to do it.

    You keep demanding we do our jobs and when we do so, you find it offensive.

    No one has gotten the amount of chances that you received. Literally no one. And you were told under no uncertain terms, that this was not going to be happening any more. That you would now be treated like everyone else. You know, you were told that we are doing our jobs. We asked you repeatedly, tried to point out what the issues were (again) and implored you to simply alter how you post. Not what you post, but how you posted it. In other words, if you were posting something that was debunked, to not claim it was fact, to point out the existing issues of what you were posting. In other words, to not threaten others with this site's rules for daring to disagree with what you post or for pointing out that the studies you were posting were debunked. And this is what you reported as "abuse". The irony is that we had to put up with being abused by you in that conversation and sworn at by you.

    You received an infraction for reporting conversation posts that were not abusive to you. That were factual and frankly, your reports fall under the category of wasting staff time. Again, we have been very very open about this issue in the past and how it would be responded to, and you are fully aware of this policy.

    And frankly, your comparing yourself to a woman being concerned about worrying if she will be fired for reporting sexual abuse is a strawman and a bad one. It is insulting and offensive. I shouldn't have to tell you why.
     
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  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    • Reposting what amounts to a continuation of a locked thread after being advised multiple times the proper channels to air your grievances is akin to what one may call a career limiting move
    More lies from one of the three mods known for abusing and flaming me every chance she gets. Look Bells. I still have the conversation...er...sermon...that both of you delivered in my mailbox. I have never seen such hateful vitriole and lies in all my time here. Attacks on my integrity. Attacks on my sanity. Attacks on my character. Apparently since you're all about attacking me for being different from everyone else in this group, I'm surprised you haven't dragged my sexual orientation into it. And no.,,.that DNA study was never ever debunked despite your lies that it was. I even posted two links for both of you proving it wasn't. So no, I never ever posted a debunked study to begin with. That was just another trumped up lie to shut down the 3rd thread in 2 weeks I was participating in just to win an argument. I then reported your flaming pm's to me in total accordance with sci fi rules. What do you think the report button on PM's is for? For exactly crap like this, where you then vowed to have me permabanned and Tiassa ominously pronounces "your time is up." So I reported that too as it constitutes threats and abuse of mod power, which I'm then further infracted for with an unprecedented 20 point year long infraction that got me banned for 3 days. Now be a dear and tell all the other posters here what the report button is for and how THEY won't suffer reprise for using it when THEY are flamed and abused as I have been. Because flaming me and lying about me to get me banned as you promised you would doesn't bode well for your reputation here AT ALL.
     
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  9. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    The initial thread being locked should have been enough of a hint... Apparently not.
     
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