Intelligent Design

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Only because so many erroneously claim everything in this world is dirty & pretend there is another world in which things are pure.

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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    shades os the Cathars?
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    The sack of Béziers, from whence we get
    Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
    roughly
    "Kill them all for the Lord knoweth them that are His"
    spoken by the Abbot of Citeaux, Arnaud Amalric
    in response to
    "Sir, what shall we do, for we cannot distinguish between the faithful(good catholics) and the heretics."
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    How very christian of him?
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    More than 2%, my bet, could spell "cities" correctly, capitalize proper names, and list ten major metropolises in foreign countries.
    The overlap of the categories "Informed Americans" and "Americans deploring the ignorance of other Americans" is only a bit greater than chance.
    More would know the capitals. That 60 genders stuff is a bs obsession of the wingnut crowd, along with Obama's secret Muslim affiliations they cannot describe and the PC curbs on speech at some pocket college they never heard of otherwise.

    The intersectional overlap of belief in Intelligent Design and belief in Republican governing competence is remarkable, when you think about it. That is what evidence of design looks like.

    Not intelligent, though. Maybe: "Clever Design"?
     
  9. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I did not read all the Posts to this Thread. I think the following is valid.

    The fossil record provides the following data as well as other similar data.
    The above fossil data strongly supports Darwinian evolution & makes it difficult to support the religious concept of creationism as suggested by the Garden of Eden origin of Homo Sapiens.

    Some fundamentalists replaced the concept of Creationism (notions similar to the Garden of Eden story) with the notion of Intelligent Design, with God being the designer of the human race.

    The intelligent design concept is easier to support & defend than Creationism & allows god to be a motive force in the origin of Homo Sapiens.





     
  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    having a rough idea of numbers and statistics...
    350,000,000 people

    i had a google but the figures appear to be deliberately hidden.
    children are classed as being 18 years old in the usa which is kinda whacky considering their legal attempts to define 16 year olds as adults for law but not for voting and drinking etc.

    suffice to say it is obviouse that changing your change of my question to assert your own answer to your own new question that is then wrapped in some type of dog whistle to fringe conspiracy cultural naratives...
    there would be more than 2% of americans who cant spell at all.

    that said, when such a question is posed... what age gender and nationalty of "american" do you default consider to be the only one answering the survey ?
     
  11. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Hi Alex,

    When I look at cells, DNA the order of nature I just cannot accept this planet as it stands, and in the past(Jurassic era) was started by a chance. Why can we question our existence? Why did order come from a chaotic world with the introduction of the written word?

    The intelligence behind the creation of life on earth is still being debated on another thread, that hopefully you will return to.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting. Why do you say order came from a chaotic world with the introduction of the written word?
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    There was obviously a distinct lack of intelligence before writing. The introduction of writing taught people complex farming techniques for example. Before we were not the APEX of creation.
     
  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I see. When you speak of a "chaotic world", you are referring to a relative lack of human civilisation, rather than the natural world. In which case it doesn't seem to have much to do with DNA or the order of nature.
     
  15. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm talking about humans being the hunted and not the APEX as we are today. As soon as we formed tribes/civilisations guided by a higher intelligence within a very short space of time. I'm dismissing evolution from what I'm saying now because it doesn't prove anything about the facts I am debating, well trying to. If you want to learn about the debate between "Creationism" and "Evolution" there is another thread.
     
  16. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Well its all subject to physical laws so that is not chance however luck or chance comes into play...A volcanic mega explosion cut humans down to an endangered species and we are lucky we pulled through.

    There is no intelligence that created the universe that is a crazy and unsupported idea. ...nothing to support it at all and obviously a made up yarn.



    The only reason folk go for that idea is they exist in a god fiction world such that they are incapable of thinking it through.

    It makes no sence and the biblical story ..original sin and a human god is so silly if you just think about it.

    If a god created the universe and us do you really think we would have so many inoccent victims...would we not be hard wired not to kill?...any god should be able to manage such a small thing for his pets...but as he does not exist we only see cruelty and killing and no loving god.
    Sure miracles save one let thousand die...how come folk cant see the stupidity of such a silly idea.

    As to a human being part god sent down to pay for our sins by way of ancient primative sacrifice ...that is ridiculous...just think it through.
    Alex
     
  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    That's OK, I am fully familiar - perhaps too familiar - with the debate between creationists and science. I consider it a modern tragedy that this is used to drive a wedge, unnecessarily in my view, between science and more normal versions of Christianity.

    The pseudoscience of Intelligent Design (the topic of this thread) seems to be a particularly unsavoury modern outgrowth of this.
     
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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Don't think this thread but I did put something about who decided that the designer had to be intelligent?

    Have you seen some of the outfits on a catwalk? Done by designers

    A large number of them seriously could not be worn any other place other than a catwalk

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  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Why?
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    If you have to ask I expect that you have yet to understand the premise and think about the plot line.

    So god thinks he has a good idea. To save humanity from all the sin they have racked up, he will father a son with a virgin (which is really him) and after existing as a human god (like so many other human gods before him) he god will cause some humans to kill him the son of god, just a little bit, like under three days dead, so all the sinners can have a new start but not to ever elevate their status to more than miserable human sinners....honestly what part is reasonable.

    The story is so lame one wonders why believers dont throw up their hands and call it for what it is....


    JC is a myth, the story is fiction and the only benefit of religion is that when someone proclaims their faith you know that you are now dealing with a dishonest and gullible victim of the greatest con ever perpetrated.

    And this human god promised, to those assembled taking in his visions of the future, that he would reurn in their life time...that was 2000 odd years ago but the promise made by JC has never been fulfilled...you would think folk would say " well he failed to return so he was a liar"... well they should as that is the fact but no they want to play make believe so bad they will overlook the lies, the mistakes and the crappy story line.

    Its a big joke right? Everyone has got together and said lets annoy folk like Alex by making up utter crap and watch them pull their hair out...no they are just crazy.

    Alex
     
  21. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    It's called a natural disaster.

    Is it as crazy as saying the universe is eternal(at this point in time) Have you entertained the "multiverse" idea?

    Something happened within the past 6000 years that got man *thinking*, and it involved the introduction of writing in which the first things people wanted to write was about a God or gods, and logically enough the creation story according to how the people understood it.

    Were we helped? Was there 2 Adam's? Why were Adam and Eve created exclusively? Why do many of the creation myths start with darkness? It makes sense. Did the writers understand what they were writing? How come there are similarities in stories between great civilisations? Why did the "gods" abandon us? Where are they now(they're immortal)?

    We were giving free will according to the bible right? Look at what the vast amount of people now and 4500 years ago have used it for? We cheated, we stole, we killed, we raped, we are nasty. God(Zeus or Jehovah) sent his son. with free will and as a man, like himself. Jesus lived a perfect life without sin, and tried to inspire mankind to do the same. I think he failed for various reasons, because he wasn't the predicted messiah as described in the old testament/Tanakh. Amazing, it's fooled nearly half the planet, just like all religion, except maybe 1.

    Original sin is the answer from a theistic point of view, which touches on something else you mentioned.
     
  22. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever tried dying for 3 days and going to hell? Not mentioning the lashes of steal and leather whips, the nails struck through his hands? the dying, his crime? nothing. 90+% hated him, because he was good? Nice?
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The very first things people wrote about were debt, taxes, the awesomeness of rulers, astronomical observations, and military issues. The stories about Gods had to wait until some less onerous means than chiseling rock or firebaking clay tablets had been invented.
     

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