Iraq Veterans vulnerable to commit suicide

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  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    The Statue of Liberty is more a domestic representation, actually. And America has done both ill and good in the world.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Depends on who you ask:

    Earlier this year, using the clout that only major broadcast networks seem capable of mustering, CBS News contacted the governments of all 50 states requesting their official records of death by suicide going back 12 years. They heard back from 45 of the 50. From the mountains of gathered information, they sifted out the suicides of those Americans who had served in the armed forces. What they discovered is that in 2005 alone — and remember, this is just in 45 states — there were at least 6,256 veteran suicides, 120 every week for a year and an average of 17 every day.

    http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1010
     
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  5. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    Without seeing the numbers for any other countries, it's difficult to tell whether those numbers are remarkable or not.

    Turns out that the country with the world's highest suicide rate is.... (drumroll please)... India!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3590847.stm
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Veterans of war?

    Dissatisfaction with the government?

    Are you sure you believe teh Lancet figures though?

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  8. quadraphonics Bloodthirsty Barbarian Valued Senior Member

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    I'm assuming it's shame and embarassment from being associated with S.A.M.
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I shall ask my South Indian friends.

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  10. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Buffalo Roam: "the Liberals cut and run, quit and waste the lives of those they helped send into the war"

    That's an unusually large pile of steaming crap. I, and untold thousands of other concerned and patriotic Americans from all walks of life -and from all political persuasions- marched in Washington, wrote to our local papers, lobbied, petitioned, and did everything we could lawfully do in order to spare our troops and our nation this horrific disgrace.. since before this entirely foreseeable disaster began. Then millions more of us began voting out the government, and we're not done yet: We're not stopping until even you won't be buffaloed by the lies of your favorite authority-figures.
     
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  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Whoops.

    No reason to disbelieve those stats, frankly, since there's no political partisanship behind their collection. Unless....the Americans skewed them in some kind of plot to throw off their disapproval rating? Ah! Always a way - eh, Sam?
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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  13. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Although this issue is still popularly repressed, and although the VA remains in denial, it won't go away.
     
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    Greg Mitchell at Huffington Post is providing regular stories on this issue:

    It's a shame how much these tragedies are ignored, and how even higher-profile cases such as the death of Col. Westhusing offer a grim but largely-ignored message to us.
     
  16. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    At multiple levels, the US military, media, and society in general have been covering up, or deliberately overlooking the deplorable rise in veteran suicides.


    These losses should not be so ignored and neglected on Memorial, or any other day.
     
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    Medical Doctors do not have a higher suicide rate than the members of our US military today. Before the numbers were called into question, the officially-reported Army suicide rate was 17.3 per 100,000 in 2006. In the article you linked, it was mentioned that "Each year between 300 and 400 doctors take their lives". We're looking at (or looking past) more than 6,000 veteran suicides and attempted suicides, and over 2,000 on active duty, per year lately.

    I'll see if I can find some clearer statistics for the comparison you're making, John99:

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    ost-War Suicides May Exceed Combat Deaths, U.S. Says
     
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  19. John99 Banned Banned

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    Determinations of suicide are always questionable. Dont throw any straw men at me because in know how the media tell "stories" to make a story. I am not saying it is not possible but dont take this the wrong way but i dont take what you say at face value or for that matter the media either.

    So IF those numbers are accurate then what is it regarding per 100,000 medical doctors and that number includes ALL doctors.
     
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  20. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Read the links I've posted, and you'll find reason to suspect 17.3/100,000 is an understatement.

    Anyway, let's find out about doctor vs. veteran suicides:

    I'm still looking for comparable data, which isn't easy...

    -Bob Filner, D-California, Chairman, House Veterans Committee
     
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  21. John99 Banned Banned

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    Why dont we find out how often hypewaders can ..............:bravo:

    Just kidding

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  22. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    John99: "Just kidding"

    Well, I'm not. If we really do "Support Our Troops", then we should take these numbers, and their suspicious obscurity very seriously. I'm having a difficult time empirically comparing soaring veteran suicides with any other specific occupation, but it's becoming increasingly apparent to me that our present military veterans are suffering much higher rates of suicide than is evident in any other occupation.
     
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    But you dont support them at all.:shrug:
     
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