Is Amazon delivering for everyone now?

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Where's my package!
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    whats worse than a democrat in your pocket ?
    a republican in your pants !
     
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    im just a republican dirt bag baby
    i masturbate to steve bannon videos baby
    Oh my god what is that she is missing

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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    innovation to make things cheaper for the customer ?
    that is not the unions job
    is it the customers job to force companys to pay their employees more ?

    oh really ? is that how it works ?

    i must be missing your point.

     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They do, in physical fact, exist. You are denying physical reality. For example: many people are trying to support households on lowpaid and abusive Amazon jobs. Those jobs are not "reserved" for "transients", and no unregulated labor market within a corporate capitalist system can or will ever so reserve them - not even in theory.

    One learns that by studying economics in high school even, let alone college - if one pays attention.
    The USPS union has been defeated and crippled in many ways by corporate capitalist political power, its influence eroded and limited, while Amazon was handed tax and regulation breaks and received favorable government treatment -
    meanwhile, I'm not sure what Amazon is doing a better job of than that union, otherwise. What union services were you talking about? Certainly not providing good jobs that support households.
    Better job of what?
    As far as service delivery by the entity as a whole: I often get a letter delivered next day for less than fifty cents, by the USPS - without the risk of my personal information being collected and sold. Amazon can't come close to that.

    Item: In my local market, before capitalist corporate powers muscled the government into crippling the USPS, it featured same day delivery of mail in Amazon's current local metro market - letters and small packages that went out in the morning were delivered in the afternoon mail. For the price of a stamp.
    In the case of the "consumer" of USPS services, you seem to have excluded quite a bit for some reason - the citizens and tax payers of the US have a broad range of interests, and a much wider "point of view" than the abstract simplification of "consumer" found in the early and introductory material of Econ 101.
     
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  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You seem to be somewhat familiar with Econ 101. Where you thinking of taking it but decided otherwise?

    In case you hadn't noticed, letters aren't the items of importance that they were decades ago.

    Are you are big fan of the Post Office?
     
  12. wegs With brave wings, she flies . . . Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure of the reasons, but just strictly from a consumer perspective, Amazon is more efficient, and cheaper than using the USPS. Why should I wait 5 days to receive a package from an online vendor using USPS, when I can go through Amazon (paying for prime, of course) and receive the same item in 2 days or sometimes, even within 24 hours. Personally, the Amazon warehouse employees should form a union, because I've read varying stories of the working conditions. Some people love working for Amazon, and others don't...so maybe it's based on specific warehouses and their management. That said, nothing is stopping the USPS from stepping up their game and competing. That's the world we live in. We have choices. If you want to wait around to receive an item, or pay double to receive it in 2 days using the USPS, that's a viable option.

    But, other companies try to compete with Amazon, and offer the 'free' two day shipping. If a vendor only offers USPS, I don't buy from them. Sorry, not sorry. UPS is a superior carrier than USPS and even FedEx. I've also had items that I've purchased from online vendors, end up ''lost'' in the mail through using the USPS, as well..and nothing has ever been ''lost'' using UPS (the shipper of choice for Amazon, and other vendors)

    The challenge with the USPS these days as well, is I've noticed that in my suburb (and friends of mine have shared the same, from other states), there is a different mail carrier every week, driving his/her own vehicle. I think that somewhere along the way, this is how the USPS decided it would cut costs, but I've noticed items were getting ''lost'' in the mail. I've read articles that USPS has had a lot of theft from employees, and not saying this doesn't happen with UPS, but it hasn't happened to me, yet. UPS has an extremely efficient logistics tracking system, so...I prefer it. UPS is part of a union, and yet they operate much more efficiently than the USPS - so it's not a problem of unions vs non-unionizing.

    But, in terms of unions, there is definitely something to be said for the Amazon workers to form one, but would that drive costs up? Maybe Jeff Bezos could part with some of his fortune.

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  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Irrelevant, as always with you guys. Innuendo and attack driven, as most often with you guys.
    Letters are more important, on average, right now, than 90% of what Amazon delivers. Or UPS. Or Fed Ex.

    They are also, individually and on average, in the real world (contrasted with the wingnut's fantasy bubble), more important now than decades ago - the more trivial stuff now goes via twitter, email, etc.

    Many people and institutions (including capitalist corporations) use the US mail specifically for their more important communications. It's more reliable, far more secure, and often cheaper, than the alternatives.

    For example: One can generally rely on the USPS to not screw up at the frequency and level that I have seen from Fed Ex and UPS (often, despite a much smaller sample size): e.g. deliver opened packages of valuable consumer electronics and leave them on the streetside front steps in the rain; deliver a wealthy person's entire IRS tax filing documentation (they were under audit) in a box addressed and delivered to a completely unrelated individual living a thousand miles away in another State (my elderly and confused father, who was on the point of hiring a lawyer to deal with what he assumed was an IRS legal procedure against him until his children got a look at the stuff); sell unnecessary personal information they have acquired by coercion (refusing to deliver without) to professional swindlers of the vulnerable; and so forth.
    If you had flipped a coin over how much formal education in economics I have had, you would have stood a chance of being correct. If you had based your irrelevant and agenda-driven guesses on what evidence you can find here (such as my comments on the theoretical basis of a "free" market, or the significance of Picketty's and Stiglitz's work in economic inequality), and you were familiar with such things (you claim an education not visible in your posting), you would had a chance of guessing accurately.
    As it is, based on your standard issue wingnut mentality, you didn't. And so you provide what little entertainment there is in dealing with you and your kind: the farcical lengths you will go to in backing, repeating, even expanding on, idiocies that no one with a lick of sense would have posted in the first place.
    Are you capable of posting relevantly, without personal attack or other deflections?
    It's been a while, now, since you attempted the feat - and it doesn't seem to come easy, in the wingnut crowd.

    Try this issue: Amazon does not deliver to everyone, and pays nothing for its use of Post Office intellectual property (such as addresses, ZIP codes, and the like). Should it?
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    An address isn't Post Office "intellectual property". Don't you people understand that?
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Some of them are.
    So is the zip code, and anything like a zip code - that's beyond argument.
    I take it you don't think they should charge for its commercial use? Freebies for Amazon?

    Hey, nice try at posting relevance - not a successful one, especially with the reflexive gratuitous attack on whoever you meant by "you people" (there's only one of me), but any such attempt is a welcome change of pace from you people. I feel obligated to recognize it.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know that Amazon even uses the zipcode when they do the deliveries themselves. When it's done though the Post Office it's being paid for.

    You people really try to find something wrong with everything don't you guys?
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    lol
    oh soo trolly

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    sounds like a really inspiring intellectual discourse
    i bet you have a lot more of that awe inspiring wisdom to call on.
     
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  18. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I defer to your jokes, memes and other intellectual "discourse".
     
  19. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So you won't mind if the USPS does charge for the use of its intellectual property - thereby leveling the playing field a little bit, from its currently Republican-tilted (and therefore private corporation biased) state.

    Next, we could require by regulation that private delivery corporations "fully fund" their various employee benefits as the USPS is required by regulation to do. Another adjustment of the market in the direction of free competition. (Eternal vigilance is the price of market freedom as well as the other kinds)
    Mistaking one's little corner of wingnut bullshit and slander and accidental comedy for "everything" is a bit grandiose even for a Reagan delusion dweller, don't you think?

    So is the idea that one must "try" to find things wrong with it. I'm not exactly breaking a sweat here - your stereotypical wingnut focus on personal insult rather than whatever issue was at hand has in this case the major flaw that you know even less about me than you do about the issues you chose to abandon ( a wise choice, the abandonment - less wise, the replacement. ).
     
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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    he is too busy singing lines from the republican hymn book to mind anything in particular.
    its only intellectual property if its owned by a big fat corporate selfish troll that pays no national income tax.

    you should take as a compliment because it means you have a made a valid ecconomic point to which he is unable to offer any better solution or simple reasoning without him clearly defining his classicist eat the poor while your eating all the free cake mentality toward economic policy and social construction.

    im still impressed with him calling himself a liberal democrat
    i thought that was tactically very clever.
    clever enough to fool the average voter.
    but also a clear signal to other Republican hard liners to let them know he is sitting in the back of their gold plated working class drawn chariot of tax income greedy hoarding.

    less is more !
    less is more !
    faster ! run faster you filthy poor people if you want to be rich like me(work harder to earn more was his mantra)
    excuse me while i refresh my "eau de Troll"
     
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  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    no Liberty for the pregnant ! chant the Republicans ... unless your a man ... that's our democracy ! get some of our democraticness you lesser beings
    serves you right for having sex (slut shame slut shame) ... [pro-anti-life-of-democratic-liberty... ?
    huh ?
    what happened to my idealism ?
    you just tested positive for slave class(pregnant female)

    do i still have to pay for the delivery if im not going to keep it ?

    oh mighty lord corporate monopoly amazon our god of morality
    please show us how unworthy we are for being poor and working class


    im not a fan of the Republican hymn book
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think all of the requirements that the USPS has to meet should be put out for bid to the open market. Let's not require their benefit plan for the future to be fully funded and then there will be parity for them in that regard.


    Good point. Tell me more about yourself so I don't get anything wrong in that area.
     

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