Who is the "we" that are linking me studies? What are the studies that are being linked? I want to see quotes specifically citing ORCH OR or studies that prove microtubules as being worthless in relation to "consciousness". We keep looking for substantial contributions, but you keep ignoring my posts while making the same ridiculously wrong arguments starting with "No" and without proofs of any formal claims against ORCH OR and the possible role of microtubules in the greater picture of conscious awareness. I want to see quotes that specifically point to debunking of a specific fatal flaws in Penrose's ORCH OR or proof that Hameroff's microtubule hypothesis is fatally flawed. If you are unable to provide clear and pertinent information, you cannot claim scientific standing.. I provide supporting evidence which no one reads and still the answer is always the same. "No, this has been debunked" and "Go to Wiki to read a bunch of generalities about tangently related research." What is the immediate scientific value of that in a real time debate? I can see it now. Visualize a real time debate and have people cite links to Wiki, in lieu of providing RT evidence. Not acceptable. You condemn me for providing an abundance of specific arguments by scientists in favor, but you demand that I provide specific argument against. Hell no! If you want to debate the point, you provide RT videos or formal papers against. that is not my burden. In fact I go out of my way trying to offer a balanced approach. You want it all one way., but without offering anything of substance. You want to debunk the theory, you provide the proof, not some vague handwaving. Show me the facts or do not presume to call me names. I have the courtesy of refraining from calling you stupid or ignorant. Don't play power politics with me. Those are just cheap shots from lazy debating. If you want to debunk someone's science do your own research and post quotes of formal papers. I am arguing FOR and provide clear and comprehensive facts in favor. If you are arguing AGAINST, do everyone a favor and post comprehensive facts in opposition.