Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yessssssss, it's the mathematical aspect. The universe processes information (computing) albeit unconsciously.
    It is a quasi intelligent mathematical pattern as is everything else within the universe. Living things have evolved greater and greater sophistication in information processing, until it has evolved in the ability for abstract thought, in various degrees , with humans at the top of the consciousness pyramid.
     
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    Anything that actually exists in reality , a physical object of something , non-living , will always have a computer like quality to them .

    Mathematics can't build anything without the fundamental elements , the periodic table .
     
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    There is a famous scientist who proposes that almost all physical patterns are able to process information .
    Exactly, all matter consist of three fundamental quanta. The difference is only in the patterns in which these quanta are organized.
    And then some patterns have emergent properties which are not inherent in the constituent parts. This is important!

    "Wetness' is an emergent property which does not exist in individual H2O molecules. Put a bunch of H2O molecules together at a specific density pattern (liquid state) and presto "wetness" emerges as a new property above and beyond the individual property of H2O!
     
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    To your last statement , I know .

    I have asked this question of what water is , off and on for several yrs.

    Fascinating molecule , water is .
     
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    There is more water in the oceans than on land.
    Water produces some wetness, but not all wetness is due to water.

    The structure of a small drop of water shows egg like properties with an interesting alignment at the surface due to charge that hints at it providing the separate environment needed for the first life.

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  9. river

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    Non-sense .
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    So you disagree that there is more water in the ocean than on land...I must bow to your supreme wisdom.

    You reject "wettness" can be found by application of other fluids?

    You are unaware of the unique properties of a drop of water?

    Great discussion ..we must do it again sometime.



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  11. river

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    Anytime
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You have the patience of a saint.

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  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, yes indeed, I think I must be a saint, please nominate me for sainthood..miracles...mmm I can present so many..let me check I want to be recognised but still be humble so I need to select something powerful but not above the people...I know first one...turning flour into bread..second turning bread into toast.
    I have cut my shirt into one inch squares, mounted framed, about the best holy relic available on the net...only a few will be offered.
    Its a living.
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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Here you are one moment in another thread claiming to be a little green man who eats christians but now you are touting for sainthood???

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    Think of the money...always follow the money.
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ice is not wet or liquid, yet it is exactly the same molecule as in wet water. It's just the pattern in which the H2O molecules are arranged. An emergent property of a very dense collection of H2O molecules.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Alex is on a roll. Takes some prodding, but then he is unstoppable.....

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    You got that right...a bed roll.
    I can't motivate myself to attack my to-do list for the various astronomy projects and not visiting my astronomy forum cause I have been threatened with permanent banning for disruptive behaviour which is a lie...one mod appears to be a creationist and for whatever reason has taken a dislike to me.
    So here I am my only contact with the world and frankly with Jan recovering from a severe crushing and sulking with me I find I am becoming bored.
    I presume you are still in Bali.
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    Cytoskeletal Signaling: Is Memory Encoded in Microtubule Lattices by CaMKII Phosphorylation?
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3297561/
     
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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Correct
    Suffering with a trusted assistant

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    Her photo is a thread somewhere in reference to abundance of toilet paper in Bali supermarkets
    Just added it to this post to save yous lot looking for it

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    Going a bit further back I posted about NASA toilet paper. That batch had green plastic wrap
    Current hotel has red plastic wrap
    My fundamental orifice has yet to detect any difference

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  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Years ago I read about the structure of a water droplet when they said molecules at the surface aligned as I recall perpendicular to the surface and the charge effectively pushed other limited matter to the center. The article did not say it but it occurred to me that the droplet had properties which were somewhat similar to an egg..I lost that link ( the curse of using a phone rather than a desk top) and, given you are well read ask if you have come across what I am talking about?
    Alex
     
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    The reception here is worse than usual I can't get this one but thanks this is more to my interest than religion.
    Alex
     
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