Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I AM NOT THE ONE WHINING ABOUT OFF-TOPIC POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If did not have to defend myself against false accusations I would have time to engage in productive discussion.
    So, if you want me to respond to your posts in a serious manner, treat me with the same respect I afford other posters, regardless if I agree with them on the science.

    If you think I am going to be your whipping boy, you have a surprise coming. My behavior on this forum is impeccable in form and civility. No one can accuse me of bad behavior.
    The behavior of several other individuals on this forum is stunningly rude and uncivilized and unwarranted.

    I'll check out the link and decide whether it is worth responding to, OK? You seem to have plenty time for insults and false accusations my person, I'm sure you have enough time to wait for my response......

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Not much, but this post was a response to someone else's post. IT IS THEIR POST WHICH IS OFF-TOPIC, CAUSING THE RESPONSE TO BE OFF-TOPIC.

    Just as this post is off-topic, because it is in response to your off-topic post. How long do you want to stay on this useless merry-go-round.

    WHY DO YOU NOT GET ON RIVER'S CASE FOR STRAYING OFF TOPIC, INSTEAD OF HOLDING ME RESPONSIBLE FOR POSTING OFF-TOPIC SUBJECTS.

    DO YOU SEE YOUR PERSISTENT PREJUDICIAL BEHAVIOR?
     
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  5. river

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    Write4U , I will no longer post any responses .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Lest you incur Dave's wrath? No need to do so on my account.
    Note that the post #1202 was not addressed to you but to Dave in context of his spurious accusations.

    Too bad, I enjoyed our exchanges and never complained about your off-topic postings. All that was Dave's (and apparently a few others') initiative. I guess Dave just won his petty little war on proper posting behavior with you. They are very good at stifling free-flowing conversation, even when placed in the appropriate non-formal sub-forum.

    I can just see the smug smiles....(shudders with disgust).
     
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  8. Bells Staff Member

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    I wrote a mod note in direct response to you and your whining and ridiculous aggrandising and to remind you that this is not your personal blog. I also kept the note on topic.

    You have deliberately chosen to ignore it to keep posting off topic.

    As noted by James earlier:
    So, stop posting crap.

    You are respectful of others?

    Do you think this post is respectful to me as a moderator? Do you think you are being respectful when you post in all upper caps to people who are trying to drag you back to this thread's subject matter?

    What false accusations? That you haven't supported your claims? You literally have not. That you treat this like it is your blog? You do do that. That you post off topic crap? You do that as well.

    This thread is not about you. So stick with the subject matter.

    2 staff and everyone participating in this discussion has advised you of your bad behaviour.

    Because you cannot stay on topic and you post crap.

    Nice attempt at dodging and this again shows your dishonesty.. The study shows directly that disrupting microtubules does not affect information retention or processing and learning.. Remember how you have claimed that disrupting microtubules can lead to catastrophic effects? This study shows that this is not the case at all.

    So it begs the question.... Why are you doing everything you can to dodge it?

    Is this because you rather focus on everything else off topic?

    My points to you in that mod note remain. Stop trying to avoid staying on topic.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No I was focusing on everyone elses' off topic comments, which you seem to conveniently ignore.
    If only you would let me.

    Another post down the drain. You know that it is not I who is converting this into a Swamp.
    Your attempts to drain the off-topic swamp is reminiscent of Trump's promise to drain the political swamp and then proceeded to turn everything into an outhouse.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That proves nothing! The paramecium is not a brained organism. It is not capable of long term memory to begin with. It's obvious you have not watched Hameroff and where long term microtubular memory storage in brained organisms occurs.

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    https://phys.org/news/2015-04-quantum-criticality-life-proteins.html

    Not all microtubules are capable of long term storage. The ones that are, are pyramidal structures located in the brain of brained organisms. The paramecium does not have a brain and does not have the pyramidal structures . It's memory is short term sensory chemical or mechanical kinetic responses, which is a product of touch by cilia, which are controlled and powered by microtubules.

    Paramecium
    Paramecium Movement
    How Cilia Work
    https://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-paramecia-move.htm
     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  13. river

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    Because I said that I will no longer post in this thread . My post #1203 .
     
  14. river

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    In the end Write4U , its your thread .
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks to Dave and his crusade! Be well river.
     
  16. river

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    Its your thread Write4U . ( Be well ) .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's what I thought too.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It has not been very many posts since you got explicit direction of the Moderators:

    E13. Appropriate supporting evidence or explanations should be posted together with any opinion, especially on contentious issues. Sciforums is not your personal blog, and should not be used to promote your unsupported opinions.

    E15. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.



    Please re-acquaint yourself with site rules.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yet another off topic post, for absolutely no compelling reason.

    Let me remind you that the OP title is "Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules"?

    btw. That is not an extraordinary claim on my part. Perhaps you did not notice the question mark.

    The post was an invitation for discussion with persons interested in micro-tubules and their functions. Obviously you are not interested, so I wonder why you are even bothering to so rudely interfere with the content of my thread? Are you moderator, or are you assisting the moderators in the exercise of their power of censorship?
     
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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Please stay on-topic. Stop wasting valuable electrons.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is my thread. Please stay on-topic! Stop wasting valuable electrons!
     
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  22. Bells Staff Member

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    Beside the point.

    Disrupting microtubules had no effect.

    That is the point.

    I read his claims. All of which are essentially based on his beliefs. He has yet to actually prove anything with viable studies and show actual results.

    This study showed actual results.

    What happens to cancer patients, brain cancer patients who are given large doses of inhibitors? Do they become vegetables? Are they still conscious after their treatment?

    As a child of a parent who endured horrific treatment for a primary brain lymphoma, I can assure you, my mother was still conscious and her memory loss was not from the treatment, but from the apple sized tumour that had invaded the middle of her brain. She was treated with high doses of inhibitors and disruptors for over 6 months.

    Let me remind you of something you said earlier:

    Microtubules only live for a few seconds to a few hours at most... They are, by definition if one would attribute memory or learning processes to them, short term. You made a claim about paramecium's which you now seem to be trying to walk back in a manner of sorts.. The study found that disrupting microtubules, the very ones you said can and I quote "propels itself by means of a chemical "motor" (an array of microtubules), and can learn to avoid obstacles, by (short-term) "memorizing" physical and kinetic forces" have absolutely no affect on the paramecium learning or "memorizing" or retaining any information.. If microtubules were involved in information processing and something like consciousness, then any disruption would affect the ability to retain information or learn at the very least. They found that it had no affect.

    Whether it is a single celled collection of biochemicals or not, is actually beside the point.

    And that is what you are now dodging so vapidly by trying to change the subject to paramecium's.

    Disrupting the microtubules in paramecium's had no affect in their ability to retain information or learn and this has direct implications to your claims about microtubules and your claims that consciousness resides in microtubules..
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    You mean everyone else's post trying to tell you to stay on topic?

    There's a certain irony there.

    *Yawn*

    This old thing again?

    Really, this is a running theme with you. When people challenge you, you accuse them of being like Trump, rinse and repeat.

    I'll be blunt.

    Shut up.

    Stay on topic.

    Stop trying to change the subject.

    For example, I link you a study about paramecium's and how disrupting microtubules had no affect on their ability to retain or process information and you respond by basically giving me a biology lesson about paramecium's instead of addressing the subject of the role of microbutules in retaining information or even being able to process information [and how disruption had no effect whatsoever in paramecium's] - which is essential for the very notion of consciousness...

    This is why we get so many reports about your off topic posts and essentially evangelising about your obsession.

    Stay on topic.
     
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