Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    C'mon river! tell us the difference!!!
    This will be good.

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  3. river

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    Go to my last post#1660 .
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Well? How about you stop being obtuse and avoiding, and answer the question.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    First, neither is a liquid.
    Not even an H2O molecule is liquid. Second, at what temperature or pressure does O or H become liquid?
    Physical properties:
    Phase at STPgas
    Melting point(O2) 54.36 K (−218.79 °C, −361.82 °F)
    Boiling point(O2) 90.188 K (−182.962 °C, −297.332 °F)
    Density (at STP)1.429 g/L
    when liquid (at b.p.)1.141 g/cm3

    Triple point54.361 K, 0.1463 kPa
    Critical point154.581 K, 5.043 MPa
    Heat of fusion(O2) 0.444 kJ/mol
    Heat of vaporization(O2) 6.82 kJ/mol
    Molar heat capacity(O2) 29.378 J/(mol·K

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen
    Physical properties
    Phase at STP gas
    Melting point(H2) 13.99 K (−259.16 °C, −434.49 °F)
    Boiling point(H2) 20.271 K (−252.879 °C, −423.182 °F)
    Density (at STP)0.08988 g/L
    when liquid (at m.p.)0.07 g/cm3 (solid: 0.0763 g/cm3)[1]
    when liquid (at b.p.)0.07099 g/cm3

    Triple point13.8033 K, 7.041 kPa
    Critical point32.938 K, 1.2858 MPa
    Heat of fusion(H2) 0.117 kJ/mol
    Heat of vaporization(H2) 0.904 kJ/mol
    Molar heat capacity(H2) 28.836 J/(mol·K)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen#:

    Why does matter exist in three different states? The Kinetic Theory of Matter provides a basic overview:
    1. Matter is made up of constantly-moving particles.
    2. All particles have energy, but the energy varies depending on whether the substance is a solid, liquid, or gas; solid particles have the least amount of energy and gas particles the most.
    3. The temperature of a substance is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles.
    4. A change in phase may occur when the energy of the particles changes.
    5. There are spaces between the particles of matter.
    6. There are attractive forces between particles and these become stronger as the particles move closer together. These attractive forces are known as intermolecular forces. An ideal gas is assumed to experience no intermolecular forces whatsoever, due to the fact that the particles of an ideal gas are moving so quickly, and are so far apart from one another, that they do not interact at all.
    7. Gases behave most ideally at high temperatures and low pressures. This is because under these conditions, intermolecular forces will be minimized.


    https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-chemistry/chapter/properties-of-gases/

    Note that all states are dependent on relational values. That's where the mathematics become a necessary ingredient in any physical process.
     
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  8. river

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    There is nothing obtuse to when oxygen and hydrogen become a liquid . At extremely low temperatures .
     
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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You're being obtuse again river...or maybe just stupid.
    You were asked....
    you replied...
    OK, now you have two questions to answer river....what is the difference between an O atom and a H atom.
    And what difference does being hot or cold make it.
    Then you raise being a liquid.
    It's obvious you cannot answer the question.
     
  10. river

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    Oxygen belong to the group 16 element and hydrogen was the first element in the periodic table. Oxygen contains 8 electrons and eight protons like hydrogen, which has one electron and one proton. ...
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    See what happens when you check out a reliable reputable source river? That's science. Good work!
    Still you are slightly confused. Atomic Oxygen cannot exist in a free state and only consists of one atom, symbol O] while the more commonly referred to molecular Oxygen, [symbol O2] has two atoms and electrons.
     
  12. river

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    So free oxygen in the oceans does not exist .
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Wait, river, in this exercise you are not allowed to cite any mathematical properties, unless you want to prove my point for me.
    It's the mathematical values that determine the state or dynamics of any and all objects and systems (patterns).
    See, there is no way of identifying relational values without having to revert to the mathematics.
    And the ratio of that free oxygen to the rest of the H2O is?
     
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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Atomic Oxygen does not exist anywhere in a free state.
     
  15. river

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    I am allowed to state their Physical Properties .
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Of course! even if you did need to google it from a reputable source. We all do that river, or at least those interested in science do.
     
  17. river

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    You are wrong .

    Think of fish , they breath free oxygen .

    Think pad , aquariums, they need oxygenation .

    Fish don't get their oxygen from the water molecule .
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you are, but that does not have any practical meaning. The universe is a very practical place. Our science is based on its consistency of functional interactions.

    OK, and what are the relational values of these physical properties? Else how do you know the difference between oxygen and hydrogen? Atomic "value", no?

    You cannot perform; "Value Input --> Mathematical function --> Value output", without values.....

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    p.s. I thought that fish extract oxygen from the water, by means of filtration through their gills.
    That why additional oxygen is required or the fish will die from oxygen starvation.

    How Do Fish Breathe?

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  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nup, I'm correct river. You simply are confusing atomic and molecular Oxygen...or O and O2
    Or are you going to keep making a fool of yourself as you did with your claim of the Moon not rotating and having one side facing Earth. We all,breath molecular Oxygen river.
    https://www.nasa.gov/topics/technology/features/atomic_oxygen.html
    Understanding Atomic Oxygen.
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    Oxygen comes in several different forms. The oxygen that we breathe is called O2—that is, it is comprised of two atoms of oxygen. O3 is ozone, such as occurs in Earth's upper atmosphere, and O (one atom), is atomic oxygen.

    Atomic oxygen doesn't exist naturally for very long on the surface of Earth, as it is very reactive. But in space, where there is plenty of ultraviolet radiation, O2 molecules are more easily broken apart to create atomic oxygen. The atmosphere in low Earth orbit is comprised of about 96% atomic oxygen. In the early days of NASA's space shuttle missions, the presence of atomic oxygen caused problems.

    "In the first few shuttle flights, materials looked frosty because they were actually being eroded and textured," says Bruce Banks, a senior physicist with Alphaport, supporting the Space Environment and Experiments branch at Glenn. "Atomic oxygen reacts with organic materials on spacecraft exteriors, gradually damaging them."

    Glenn Research Center was asked to investigate the damage caused to NASA spacecraft by atomic oxygen. The researchers not only invented methods to protect spacecraft from atomic oxygen; they also discovered a way to harness the potentially destructive power of atomic oxygen and use it to improve life on Earth.
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    Fish of course extract the Oxygen from the water, but as per the atmosphere, the free atomic Oxygen does not exist other then as the covalent bond with Hydrogen.
     
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  20. river

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    By their physical properties and their responses to the any environment in which they are in .
     
  21. river

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    You didn't answer my question . What oxygen do Fish breath in .
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Fish of course extract the Oxygen from the water, but as per the atmosphere, the free atomic Oxygen does not exist other then as the covalent bond with Hydrogen.
     
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