Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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    All that I know is that microtubules are self assembling dynamical nano-scale bipolar coils which form the cellular cytoskeleton and are the heart of the neural network in all Eukaryotic organisms and process all sensory data even if the organism has no brain.

    Look up bacterial cilia and flagella. The microtubule drives the fundamental propulsion ability of single celled eukaryotic organism Paramecium.

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    Note the tiny hairs (cilia) which are each driven by a microtubule motor (basal body)

    Structure and Functions of
    Cilia and Flagella


    Overview

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    Depending on the type of cells, cilia and flagella have the following functions:
    · Propelling cells - Using cilia or flagella, cells are able to move freely in their environment, especially in aquatic or moist environments.
    · Sensory functions - Some cilia and flagella allow cells to sense changes in their surroundings which in turn allows the cells to respond appropriately.
    · Transporting material - Some cells are able to not only trap, but also guide the transportation of given material. This may serve to engulf such material into the cell or prevent unwanted material/particles/microorganisms from invading the cell or tissue.

    * The flagella of prokaryotes have a different structure compared to those of eukaryotic cells.

    Cilia
    * Prokaryotes (bacteria) do not have cilia.


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    Eukaryotic Cilium Diagram by LadyofHats - Eigenes Werk, Gemeinfrei, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=3145956

    Learning
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramecium#


    Obviously the Paramecium has no brain, yet it can learn at a rudimentary level. I submit that the learning ability lies in the microtubule network's ability to memorize, albeit kinetic memory. In view of all the functions microtubules perform in brained organisms, there is no more suitable candidate for association with consciousness.


    Abstract
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25121967/#

    And evolution did the rest.
     
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    New stuff

    Self-assembled artificial microtubules developed
    Date: January 17, 2020
    Source: Pohang University of Science & Technology (POSTECH)
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200117094325.htm

    In addition to the known association of microtubule catastrophe and brain diseases such as Alzheimers , these new development may someday be used in curing these physically caused mental diseases and deficiencies.
     
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    A little confirmation of the current interest in consciousness as a scientific discipline.
     
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    I grabbed your post and reposted it over into the near death experience discussion because this video has me asking several questions
    from that lecture that seem to fit with NDE accounts?

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/near-death-experiences.164139/page-9#post-3670174


    Why do people who come back from a near death experience report an increase in all of their senses?
    They report heightened sight, hearing, smell, and feelings of both pleasure and pain.
    Those in the twenty some percent of people who report the out of body experience during a NDE
    report even an ability to take in astounding amounts of information, much more so than while they were in the body.

    I really like the lecturers idea that "Consciousness is fundamental!"
     
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    Wait until you read Penrose.......

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    He proposes that a form of consciousness happens at quantum levels.

    He advances the idea that quantum change is a "Bing" event

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    Wow!!!!

    I just did a simple search and this came up!


    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics

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    The strange link between the human mind and quantum physics



    Nobody understands what consciousness is or how it works. Nobody understands quantum mechanics either. Could that be more than coincidence?

    .....

     
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    Is your brain really a computer, or is it a quantum orchestra tuned to the universe?

    Microtubule madness
    https://www.interaliamag.org/articl...it-a-quantum-orchestra-tuned-to-the-universe/
     
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    It gets better!

    p.s. From your link
    We live in a "participatory universe". I like that!
     
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    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just wow!!!!!!!!!!


    I PLEAD GUILTY......... THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT PARAGRAPH somewhat SCARE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (OK.... sort of................................. but the level of curiosity as to what that means may well have a magnitude even beyond the degree of fear that that idea generates????????)
     
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    In reference to consciousness,

    11.29.2015
    Cellular Intelligence
    Are Microtubules the Brain of the Neuron
    https://jonlieffmd.com/blog/are-microtubules-the-brain-of-the-neuron#

    Note that the mitotic spindle which controls the exact splitting and of 3.2 billion genomes in cell division, consists of microtubules.

     
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    Over and over and over again as I research some aspect of parapsychology or what most would term "pseudoscience" I end up running into some variation of strings or Super Strings........ and / or Waves?! "Microtubules" remind me at least somewhat of the strings or super strings that I have ran into. For example....some near death experiencers report that their bodies are connected to their consciousness by something like a "silver cord" that seems to behave somewhat like a high speed internet connection?????
     
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    Personally I look at this in a more materialistic way, but it appears that Roger Penrose believes that fundamentally everything rest on quantum mechanics.
     
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    Role of microtubules in heart function :

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    Microtubules in a heart cell at rest (top) and compressed during contraction (bottom).Dr. Ben Prosser, University of Pennsylvania

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih...tubules-role-heart-cell-contraction-revealed#

     
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    Im a goddamn Rocket/Warkid Scientist/Soundtest and i dunno.
     
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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't understand what you mean.
     
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    Can you explain how that "science" pertains to the OP?
     
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    In my opinion it is actually a sign of genuine insight and intelligence that you can admit to that............ this whole thing is far, far, far, far, far beyond mere "rocket science!?"

    This may perhaps help:

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ew-theory-of-everything-is-the-same-old-crap/



    I am hoping that his or her meaning is somewhat explained by what I just quoted????
     
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    In consideration of the role of "microtubules" in heart function......
    would you say that there could be a correlation between the way that microtubules work in the human heart........

    with what appears to be the human heart putting out more electromagnetic energy than is put out even by our brains?????

    https://www.heartmath.org/research/science-of-the-heart/energetic-communication/

    Science of the HeartNew!
    Exploring the Role of the Heart in Human Performance

    An Overview of Research Conducted by the HeartMath Institute


    Was my statement above incorrect? Is it "electromagnetic energy" that the heart is putting out.... .or is it "magnetic energy?"
     
  22. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I would sooner accuse them of deliberately trying to be misleading by reading other posts in different threads.

    In other words: troll.
     
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    Based on this other discussion by LeeDa I would guess that he or she is sincere and not a troll?

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/changing-the-world.132806/

    "Changing the world" on the General Philosophy forum
     
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