Is doing evil a necessity of life?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    They might be

    Us agnostics are not

    Thank god

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hot v cold and light v dark are not valid opposites.

    And there is only heat, to a greater or lesser extent. It is a one-way street.
    (A dumb error that plagued the movie Day After Tomorrow, where a giant storm "sucked the cold down from space".

    There is only light, to a greater or lesser extent. Also a one-way street.
    (A silly supervillain character called Darkon thought that light was only the absence of darkness.)

    Not that that invalidates the point...
     
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand, if you eliminate competition, you do the tribe a different disservice:
    Reduce the efficacy of both individual and group action by failing to distinguish which members are best fitted to lead. You may find other ways of discovering who is best at archery, botany, midwifery and pottery, but only competition sorts out leaders and followers. This competition can be amicable - sports and games - without losers, because everyone has a place and a function. Children who feel secure do this kind of sorting quite naturally. Children who feel threatened and uncertain are more likely to bully and victimize one another.

    The greater danger is to thwart evolution. There will be no selective improvements without open competition for mating rights.
    And, in fact, we have seen no improvement in the human stock since the dawn of civilization, when human selection was made artificial.
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    You missed thought and existence

    No way these are on any sliding scale together

    They are not even opposites

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  8. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Us agnostics are notis like yous granmatisians?

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  10. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Its coincidential.
     
  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    In most cases, I agree. But not in all cases.

    The good of the many outweighs the good of the few seems to be an objective moral tenet that I cannot refute and make subjective.

    Test it for yourself.

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  12. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    This is true but as the smaller tribes merge, the strongest will take the lead position. They would compete to leadership as part of the merging process.

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  13. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Your either bad, or both evil and bad.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Your on a varying sliding scale between good and evil

    You have a personal view of where you fit

    Others have their view of where you fit

    Neither you or them are RIGHT

    Neither you or them are WRONG

    Both views are only OPINIONS

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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    seems to be an objective moral tenet

    which is strange

    But no stranger than many other odd ideas

    seems to be an appear to be the operative words

    Replace with them with is not and your on a winner

    But since you appear not to be able to call it subjective I don't know where that would leave you

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  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Grammar is boring.

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  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    It is a statement of perspective. Individuals are not usually called-upon to make such judgments in their daily actions, but political leaders are always forced to base policies on that tenet, and then citizens have the choice of supporting or opposing that policy. And, of course, jurists are required to weigh each contested interaction of citizens against the general principles as stated in law.
    But we're still on a sliding scale of "the good" as well "the many" and "few". What degree and priority of "good" is under consideration in any given case and what part of the population?
    For example, are we comparing the survival of the tribe to the pride of the warrior caste, or the convenience of the majority of adults against injury to a dozen children; the economic ruination of a town against the wealth a landowner or the political ascendancy of a dominant tribe against extirpation of a subordinate one?
    There is always a cost/benefit ratio to consider, including direct and indirect consequences and fallout, over a long and short term.
    Many boring things are necessary.
     
  18. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree, I find it can be very interesting. If you were not aware of grammar, you would reduce the ability to communicate. You might, for example, write "your" instead of "you're" which is incredibly confusing, and on the downward slope to just grunting.
     
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  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Or Newspeaking, or Trumpeting or Twittering.
     
  20. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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    Yes indeed. Just recently during an informal language lesson, I explained the English word "twitter" to a Spanish girl as the noise little birds make. She was puzzled because she uses twitter, and said that birds just make a meaningless noise, so why did twitter have that name. I said I thought it was obvious.
     
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Modern education! Birds do not make meaningless noises: every tweet, chirrup, cackle and screech has purpose and content.
    On the other hand, teaching ESL is a bottomless source of surprise, amusement and enlightenment.
     
  22. DrKrettin Registered Senior Member

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    Prove it. (You're probably right, but prove it.)
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Grunt oh ar willy willy bang bang grunt

    And if you disagree with that

    Grunt grunt

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