Is eeryone happy with the Big Bang? I'm not.

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by astrocat, Nov 19, 2010.

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  1. astrocat Registered Senior Member

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    Pete, paragraph 3 explains the 'instant' birth of the Cosmos. (Poof, just like that.) My Hydrogen collected only slowly, over trillions of years. My universe evolved. And it turns out I'm right, there is no evidence for the slowing Down of the Big Bang, only evidence that the expansion has been speeding up. Last night I had a brainstorm, I remembered something from 1976, where a scientist claimed to have evidence of this slowing down, but who later recanted. Nobody has ever observed this slowing down - it's fiction. Now, if the expansion has been speeding up all the time (and that's what the evidence suggests, there certainly wasn't any Big Bang. A Big Wheeze is far more likely, but even that is not what happened. If the expansion of the Observable Universe has always been speeding up, that makes it an inward expansion. Please let me know what you think of that.
     
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  3. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    This nonsense is still going on?
     
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  5. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    astrocat, I asked you several direct questions. You said you'd answer questions but despite you quoting my questions several times you ignored them.

    If you can't show even an ounce of honesty then you demonstrate that you don't really believe your claims, else you'd be willing to defend them. I've answered plenty of questions of yours and I've provided lengthy explanations. I have nothing to fear replying to your posts but if you can't engage in honest discussion then you're wasting everyone's time, particularly your own. Its no skin off my nose if you want to remain ignorant but I suggest you reflect on how far that's got you.
     
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  7. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry, astrocat, I know you're really attached to your "inward expansion" idea, but that's not an excuse to just ignore facts you don't like.

    These are facts that I have demonstrated for you which you seem to be ignoring or simply denying without explanation:
    • In mainstream cosmology, the Standard Model (the hot big bang model) describes the evolution of the Universe from a hot, high pressure state. It does not claim that this state is the ultimate origin of the Universe.
      This is supported by the Wikipedia article you quote and cosmology textbooks.
    • There are other models that explore possible development of the Universe before the Standard Model. Some explore possible ultimate origins, some do not.
      Again, Wikipedia and cosmology texts.
    • Generally speaking, larger stars burn out faster than small stars. The largest stars may explode in as little as a million years after formation.
      Textbooks, Wikipedia, popular science...
    • Your idea of 'inward expansion' idea is in fact the same idea behind the meainstream concept of Tidal forces. If you follow it through, you find that it means stretching in one direction and compression in the other.
    • Good science involves hard mathematics. I can see that you're ignoring facts you don't like in AlphaNumeric's posts, just as you're ignoring facts in mine.

    I wish you the best of luck with your future, astrocat. I encourage you to keep dreaming up ideas.

    I leave you now with this reminder of what True Science is about:
    All new ideas are thoroughly hammered at this (post-brainstorming) stage, and most are subsequently discarded. That's the only way to filter out the crap and find the quality gems.
    True scientists are smart enough to brush away the rubbish, alert enough to spot the promising rocks, patient enough to polish them up and search for flaws, pragmatic enough to throw away the fractured stones and fools gold, smart enough to enlist and accept critical assistance, hardworking enough to collect a reasonable cache of small jewels over their career, hopeful enough to think that maybe one day they'll be at the coffee table when a flawless diamond shows up, and realistic enough to know that it's probably never going to happen to them.


    • Be humble. Accept that the chance of any given crazy idea (including your own) being worth publishing is low, even for the professionals.
    • Expect your idea to be hammered during discussion. Accept this as a mark of respect, not as an attack on your intelligence.
    • Don't ever stop thinking up crazy ideas. Just be sure to examine them carefully and critically, and discard the flawed ones without mercy.
     
  8. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This looks like a good place to end.
     
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