Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree. You don't answer things. That's how you defend a worldview that is basically indefensible.

    But, how is it that I have no perception of god at all? I have stated that once in a while, under certain mental states, I have perceived hallucinations of god-like beings. I don't believe they are real, because there is no connection between those perceptions and reality, apart from the reality that I would already be aware of as the source of those hallucinations. How do you know that you aren't hallucinating?
     
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  3. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Yes.

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  5. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Because no one does. No one has been able to demonstrate that they perceive god. And I don't believe you do either.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    This is what you believe. Right?

    Jan.
     
  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Until someone demonstrates that their perception of god is real, I have no reason to believe it.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Do you believe that God has to be demonstrated by someone, to believe God exists?

    Jan.
     
  10. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that someone who makes an assertion on this forum should have evidence to support it. But in general, people believe things for many reasons, some of them bad.
     
  11. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    But that would take all the fun away from trolls and not give the rest of the serious posters something to laugh at

    Be a little more PC and inclusive

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    Yes Jonny you are correct thinking the world is square - take no notice of the other kids who always want evidence

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  12. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    What is the basis of that belief?
    IOW why do you believe that?

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  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Okay...

    You - But, how is it that I have no perception of god at all?
    Me - Yes.
    You - Because no one does.


    Let's hope you're not a hypocrite.

    Jan.

     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's not my question to answer. Why do you think your perception of God is real?
     
  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Are you saying you just automatically believe it?

    Like I said, you already have an answer, but didn't like it.

    If you answer my questions, I believe you will get the answer to your questions.

    Jan.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Well, for one thing, it's the rules:

    "However, we retain in all areas of debate an ethos of respect for the scientific method, which demands critical analysis, clear thinking and evidence-based argument."
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, because it is an internal experience. A mental image.
    International scientific organizations
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:International_scientific_organizations

    When they were building cathedrals to show which religion is the most successful. Actually, in England they still make replacement panes by the same method. It's hand blown.
    We now know exactly why gold turns red and the quantities required for different shades from light rose to deep red.

    And this may be of general interest;
     
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  18. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Then support this...


    ... You - But, how is it that I have no perception of god at all?

    Me - Yes.

    You - Because no one does

    Jan.
     
  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    So "spiritual" is simply images we conjour in our minds?


    At what point in time was this?

    Jan.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Late medieval ages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stained_glass#Colours

    Interesting stuff.
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's a great question, how about you stop changing the subject?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    quote] Jan Ardena said:

    ... You - But, how is it that I have no perception of god at all?

    ...Me - Yes.

    ...You - Because no one does
    Jan.

    And if no one has a perception of god, then what on earth are you talking about?
     
  23. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    The traditional definition of "spirituality" holds refers to a religious process of re-formation which "aims to recover the original shape of man," oriented at "the image of God" as exemplified by the founders and sacred texts of the religions of the world.

    Spiritual things are concerned with sacred matters or religion, affecting the spirit or the soul. Spiritual entities like ghosts lack a material body or substance.

    Spiritual is the adjective form of the word spirit, which comes from the Latin word for "breath," and means the thing that animates life.

    Now back to your original point. Relating to virtual particles.

    And because that is the default position of the scientific world and the results seem to have worked very well, seeing the marvels of artificially constructed great works of architecture.

    At one time, this display of spirituality was expressed I the beautiful cathedrals......... that still exist.

    What was the display of spirituality?

    jan.
     

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