Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Firstly, I didn't ask you a question.
    I want you to explain the basis of your belief, the way you expect me to explain mine.


    So how do you know that nobody has a perception of God?

    Why do you believe that someone must demonstrate that God is real, for you to believe God is real?

    Jan
     
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  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Couldn't you just be trying to coax someone to show you a disrespect for your beliefs in order to justify a bias you hold?
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Who did the cathedrals honor? IMO, its part of the spiritual illusion of the mind.
    The biggest pyramid, the tallest church, the greatest cathedral, the Holy See. All designed to imprint an image of mystical powers to locals and visitors.

    As Carlin would say it its just a display of c......., naah, I won't say it.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    The Bishops?

    jan.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Jeez, cathedrals were built to honor God. A House of God?

    And this may also appeal to you:

    or this:
     
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  9. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    They are connected. You can't demonstrate the central premise of your argument, that theists have a perception of a real god, and atheists don't. As long as theists can't demonstrate that there is a god, I will continue in my (default) state of disbelief.
     
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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if there are any statistics on the benefits vs damages done by the various religions. If anything, it would show if it is a successful survival mechanism or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war
     
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  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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  12. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Double post.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, most of them had glass-in-lead decorative windows. I just told you how they are made. I don't care what a cathedral is in the hierarchy of religion.

    It was only in context of opulence in order to impress the faithful and "hopefully" God.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is what I was talking about;
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_Irish_stained_glass_(1811–1918)

    and watch the proces here: the stained glass starts at 35:15
     
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  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    "I don't care" being the operative phrase.

    Jan.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you do this? I am telling you a story of historical use of gold nano-particles in stained glass and you are going to correct me on the definition of the word "cathedral"?
    Now you are deliberately arguing against a small bit of interest which is a true scientific fact, and you tell me that my use of the word "cathedral" has any bearing on how they made colored glass for religious buildings in the past and still do.
    The question is; Did you know this fact or did you learn something new?

    Have you ever set foot in a real cathedral? I have. It was spectacular and I recommend anyone to have a peek. It's impressive.
    As it is the seat of the bishop, no expense was spared in construction of these houses of worship.
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=cathedrals in the middle ages&qpvt=cathedrals in the middle ages&qpvt=cathedrals in the middle ages&qpvt=cathedrals in the middle ages&FORM=IGRE
     
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  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    They are both positions, not arguments. Any arguments that ensue, is based on those positions.

    jan.
     
  18. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    The point I'm making is that belief lies at the heart of everything you have thus far said, and you cannot account for it.
    You have as much faith in your belief, as theists have in their belief.

    Jan.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Belief that gold dust makes red glass? What are you talking about?

    That post had nothing to do with belief, but knowledge that mixing gold dust while blowing glass gives it a red hue, which was a miraculous phenomena in those times.

    Even today glass blowers can't tell you why gold turns to red. That is explained in the above link about "making stuff smaller".

    But I am beginning to believe that you just spout your beliefs, but have no facts from which I can learn anything.

    Back up your own claims, before you start judging people's beliefs.

    p.s. Do you know how they make church bells? I bet you don't now that either.

    For once, try to learn something, and stop your most disagreeable attitude.
     
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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And your arguments do not in any way strengthen your "position".
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I would expect that, from your perspective.
    Your arguments on the other hand, do strengthen your position, as in they convey your atheism.

    jan.
     
  22. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    The glass blowing thing is neither here nor there.
    Your attempt to explain spirituality, God, existence, and so on, is based on belief.

    jan.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I have made my position clear in previous posts and I am ready to move on to more interesting facts.
    As Carlin said, God is all powerful and can make and do everything we see, except He just can't handle money. Alaways needs a little more, tax-free. For those gold panes no doubt, or perhaps some more gold brocade on the outfits.
     

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