Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    What a dog biting its own leg because of a undiagnosed medical problem. The uncontrolled twitching of the leg indicates a disconnect of nerve impulses reaching the dogs brain hence not knowing the leg which is twitching his his. Dog sees leg as something and possibly having designs on its food

    What such a dog problem has to do with So, can faith help to understand our mankind ? I have no idea

    As to So, can faith help to understand our mankind ? My opinion NO

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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    By 1988 or 1989 I was really, seriously disappointed with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus!

    I considered that the quotations on ideas expressed by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in Matthew chapters five, six and seven, (The Sermon on the Mount), combined with
    quotations from him again in John chapters fourteen, fifteen, sixteen and seventeen indicated that he truly was an intellect up there in the same league as
    wise ol' King Solomon so.......................
    how does somebody that bright come up with a plan somewhat like "many called, few chosen, a broad way leading to destruction, a narrow way leading to life...... and few finding it"............ and then for a cherry on the top... .there is some sort of really negative afterlife state that is so bad that our chopping off a hand or gouging out our right eye.... might be an appropriate way to attempt to avoid that negative afterlife realm?????????

    So how and in what way I was wondering could all of that be termed "good news???????"

    So..... I prayed and I asked for wisdom with chutzpah..... and I made Messiah Yeshua - Jesus an offer......
    based on the original Hebrew of Leviticus 16 verse ten........

    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
    to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
    to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)

    Since that time some really unusual coincidences seemed to have happened to me that
    to my thinking indicate that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus may have rather liked my unusual offer from back just after Yom Kippur 1990?????

    I put in a bid.... proposed investment.... wager...... offer on the "debt / guilt of Azazel" as best as I could guess what that might somehow mean or imply????????

    I am actually kind of surprised to still be alive.....
    I kind of figured back in those days that my offer would lead to an early death.... but I was wrong?!
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Is "chutzpah" commonly used in Nova Scotia?
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    No.... I was brought out of Atheism back in 1973 by Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong.....
    who got me interested in the Jewish roots of the Christian religion and even convinced me to partly observe the Jewish weekly and annual Sabbaths and
    avoid eating pork and shellfish......
    He got me so into Judaism that I have considered Aliyah to Israel.....
    if I felt that they would want my wife and I there????? My wife did find out that her mom's last name is Sephardic Jewish. My wife is from Quito, Ecuador.
     
  8. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Well, seems James heeded my advise, that his "previous 14 months of silence would continue to suffice". Just as well, I guess. He was repeating himself and forgetting what I had already directly told him.
     
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  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I tend to believe faith and knowledge are deeply the same.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    So why are they two words?
     
  11. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    they’re also different. If you believe in life you have hope, if have knowledge of life that is biology.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Then you're wrong.
    Faith, almost by definition, is belief without knowledge.
     
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  13. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    There are two words because of two concepts.
    But do these two concepts be found in real world ?

    Not sure.
    So yes, faith and knowledge "in act" could be very similar and could finaly have the same origin.
    Do you not need faith in science to acquiere science knowledge ?
     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Read the very first post!
    The faith under discussion is religious faith.
     
  15. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, but my answer remain.

    Why are there 2 different words ?
    Because of 2 different concepts.
    Knowledge, Faith.

    Are these concepts actual (do they exist outside the Man's imagination) ?
    Not sure.

    So yes, faith and knowledge "in act" could be very similar and could finaly have the same origin.

    Then, James R stated that there is a difference between religious faith and faith.
    Is religious faith a validated concept ?
    No, and you could invent; social faith, economic faith, color faith, history faith, gustativ faith, emotional faith etc etc etc etc.

    So faith (the concept then...) relativ to religious toughts.
    Ok for that.

    Same answer : So yes, faith and knowledge "in act" could be very similar and could finaly have the same origin.
     
  16. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Faith - complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
     
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Go back and read the first post.
    This thread is about religious faith. And that, as noted, is defined as belief (including trust/ confidence) without knowledge.
     
  18. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I guess that is why the fallen angel is light. Hindu’s make an association between light and knowledge. Just because you can believe without knowing doesn’t mean you can’t know at all.
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    It's not.
    Just because they make the association doesn't mean it's valid.
    Which doesn't actually address the topic of the thread... ho hum.
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Second time within a few moments I have used this

    Not even wrong

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  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It’s fine if faith & knowledge are separated, but they don’t have to be. Faith isn’t a “path” to knowledge, but they are the same thing.

    Omniscience is easily religious.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Faith is not knowledge.
    Meaningless.
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Science is respect and judgement, where religion is an absolute that needs space from science, but they can still coexist together simultaneously, and separately at the same time.
     

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