Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. Dicart Registered Senior Member

    This would be illumination, not faith.

    Again and more clearly :
    Faith is a concept, like infinity, and this type of concept do not exist in the real world.
    There is an idea of infinity but no actual infinity.
    There is an idea of faith but no actual faith.
    Do anyone ever seen someone whos faith is 100% without knowledge ???
    No... but yes if the knowledge we talk about is illumination, so no faith, religious or not, here.

    Therefore we quantitize actual faith, saying per example that someone has a strong or weak faith.
    What is this other concept that can be lowered (lowering faith is a nonsense) ? This is the actual faith.
    So the possible formula to express this clearly : Actual faith = a * faith + (1-a) * knowledge
    (a is the ratio of the use of faith or knowledge)

    But faith = 1 (it is a constant, not like knowledge)
    Actual faith = a + (1-a) * knowledge

    Therefore 2 extrem cases (intermediate cases exists too because a is between 0 and 1) :
    If a=0 : I dont depend on faith
    => Actual faith = Knowledge

    If a=1 : I only depend on faith (so actual faith = faith)
    => Actual faith = 1

    Simple enought to understand i suppose.

    Other possible formulas :
    Actual faith = a * (1 - knowledge) + knowledge
    Actual faith = a * (Ignorance) + knowledge
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Then why the word faith?
    Anyone/ everyone who believes in a god. NO ONE has actual knowledge of god (any god). Yet may people believe regardless. Many people have faith that he/ she/ it exists.
    This is, in its entirety, utter nonsense.
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  5. Dicart Registered Senior Member

    Yes, i just did the (obvious) demonstration.

    Because you can have more or less faith, but not 100% (in my example a=1 is the limit never atteined)

    Why ? Whats your agument (is your believe based on knowledge or faith this would be wrong) ?

    Other example :
    Pain is a concept.
    Saying i have pain doesent say anything about actual pain.
    You must define the intensity a
    Actual pain = a * pain

    Thats exactly what i said.
    Formula explain it more accuratly, if Knowlege = 100% faith=0%
    100% faith = Illumination so 0% Knowledge

    No, this is rational thinking.
    If yout think something is wrong, say what is wrong and explain why.
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

    Ummm no. PAIN is a sense(ation)

    A UNPLEASANT sensation

    When I trained as a Registered Nurse I learnt that pain severity was measured in *dols. If memory serves me correctly a 1cm pad was applied to the back of the hand and heated. The person was required to indicate when they felt a change in temperature (1 dol)

    There is a well known pain relief medication which uses the Greek word for pain - pĆ³nos - and the measurement - dol


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    *Edit sold to dols - piss poor proof read

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  8. Dicart Registered Senior Member

    Big confusion here.
    No, pain is the word used to represent the concept pain and the concept pain (here in the case of pain, this is not a generality) is relevant to "something" (never really known, you know the platos cave...) correlated with a set of properties and atributes that can be observed (So we can speak about with intersubjectivity)
    So per example and not only, pain has the atribute to be part of the category sensation.

    Yes, this is what i say, and i used this qualia to show that even we can not mesure something precisely, we can talk
    about his intensity.
    So for faith, there are many intensities of faith we can not mesure but we can speak of the intensity.
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member


    Sorry about the boo boo *sold was a auto correct I should have caught and corrected back to dols before posting

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  10. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member


    By around 1990 I began to pray and ask for wisdom with rather extreme chutzpah......
    I even was EXTREMELY RUDE to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and to the Ancient of Days the Father...
    Thirty one years later and I honestly feel that ALL of my question from back in those days have been answered......
    and ninety five or more percent of the answers really surprised me and were not what I could have guessed back in 1988 or 1989!

    I did have at least some faith....
    and I feel that my prayers for Wisdom... ( partly so that I would not go through life and end up giving really awful advice as I had so
    often seen done by some pastors..... on some occasions..... would be an error that I would make some progress in avoiding)! I also learned to qualify my assertions and be far less dogmatic even when I get into a topic that I have investigated thoroughly.
  11. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

    None of that answers the questions I asked in my opening post. I think you're posting in the wrong thread, Dennis.

    Have you read this thread?
  12. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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  13. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

    Faith isn't about knowledge. It's about belief in what you don't actually know.

    Ever try to assemble some purchased product without reading the instructions?
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Often it's about trying to circumvent actual knowledge - e.g. creationism is an attempt to put faith before evidence.

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    The microwave stand. The tabletop barbecue, The floor lamp. To this day, I've never seen the instructions for any of them.
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