wegs, That's the question of the thread. Basically, Sarkus and Baldeee are arguing that to have free will we would have to somehow be able to break the laws of physics. I disagree. I wouldn't say it ever overrides our decisions. Rather, our decisions are part of the "destiny" you're talking about. In this thread, we're not arguing about whether we will do what we will do (except when posters deviate from the assumption of determinism, which keeps happening for some reason). We're arguing about whether what we do is freely done.