Is global warming even real?

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by Ilikeponies579, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    OK.
    International report confirms: 2014 was Earth’s warmest year on record

    Source: NOAA
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Climate change is the symptom; global warming is the cause.
     
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  5. river

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    What do you mean by your statement? It makes no sense to me.

    Expand your thinking here.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    1) Investigate what? Those assertions? The first step is to make sure, given Poe's Law, that you are sincere. The second would be to attempt to discover where such fantasies came from. The first step in that would be asking you; so: from where and whom did you get those opinions? You did not derive them from observation of physical reality, because there is no such reality to observe; they are too coherent and organized to be random gleanings from bus stop conversations and typographical errors in wastebasket newspaper headlines; so what or who is their source?

    2) Why should I do a lot of work to investigate such claims? They're your claims - if you have investigated, you can easily and quickly inform us (a couple of short sentences would do, about where to look etc); if you have not investigated, it would be your job.

    The increased lower atmospheric trapping of solar energy by recently boosted CO2 concentrations ( "global warming") has caused and will cause the climates of various regions of the planet to change. Is this mysterious to you?
     
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  8. river

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    You are not informed ; woops yes you are ; not really .
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So no information for us, no argument, no evidence, no consideration of the content of quoted posts, not even the easy link to wherever you are getting these Kochworld claims from,

    and no surprise.

    Have you figured out the statement that was puzzling you, above? The one about climate change being a symptom of global warming?
     
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  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    "Climate change is the symptom; global warming is the cause."

    We know that the globe is warming; we can read a thermometer. What effects are caused by that warming? Arctic ice melting, increased frequency of severe weather, etc. That's what we see and it doesn't take much effort to see the connection, does it?

    If you want more specifics, ask more specific questions.
     
  11. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    35 C (95F) wet bulb is lethal to humans (and most animals that cool by sweating) in less than an hour.
    People are now dying by more than a 1000 in several heat waves in 2015 already.

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    " In this June 23, 2015 photo, people rush a patient to a hospital suffering from heatstroke in Karachi, Pakistan. June was warm nearly all over, with exceptional heat in Spain, Austria, parts of Asia, Australia and South America. Pakistan reported a June heat wave that killed more than 1,200 people, which according to an international database would be the 8th deadliest in the world since 1900."
    Not a pleasant way to die but more will each year for the foreseeable future. One photo may tell the conditions more than data by the thousands.
     
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  12. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    I wish the "like" button wasn't such an evil thing in this context, but thank you.
     
  13. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    The 8th is upon us Billy T and life is a cosmic joke...The gates will soon open then we can do battle, choose wisely before stepping on the scale of good and evil.
     
  14. BrianHarwarespecialist We shall Ionize!i Registered Senior Member

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    A little humor for you all, attachment brings pain, never be attached to anything not even your life only then you can truly live a life free of thousands deaths.
     
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  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    What's more important is the ability to go back and forth. Don't do what you can't undo.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Do you always sit on your hands and fail to act until everybody else is on the bandwagon before you?

    The ones that are true are.

    It's an indelible quality of nature that the Earth is warming right now due to human activities. Get with the programme! Don't wait for everybody else to think and act for you. Have some initiative, Mr. G!

    What a convenient excuse you have, then, for making zero effort. Look out for number one, eh, Mr. G?

    You speak for the USA? Who elected you President?
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Are you preaching a sermon, Brian?
     
  18. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine if in 1992 someone said "I won't take ozone destruction seriously until those who say that it is being depleted by CFCs give up their home refrigerators, and automotive air conditioners". It would have made no difference - the problem was solved by an international agreement that forced CFCs to be replaced by alternative refrigerants, not by individuals giving up the comfort and convenience of automotive and home air conditioning and refrigerators. And the same thing is needed now. To engage in absurd hyperbole, if every proponent of anthropogenic climate change committed suicide tomorrow, the difference made in the problem would be immeasurably small.
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect his comment "The 8th is upon us" is a reference to the seven seals. Often the term "the 8th seal" is used to reference the end of the Apocalypse as described in Revelation. Presumably the decomposing lamb with seven horns and seven eyes previously opened the previous seven seals as described in that book, unleashing all manner of earthquakes and calamities, along with the Four Horsemen. It is popular in some religious circles to ascribe various current events to the events in Revelation (for example, "Saddam Hussein was the Pale Horse of Death, and was the last of the Horsemen, so the end is nigh!")
     
  20. river

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    I suggest you inform your self with this website and really everybody .

    http://drtimball.com
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Well at least you identified the source of your posting. But we've seen a lot of that guy around here, and he does not improve with repetition.

    Why are you still posting links to that bullshitter?

    I actually read some of it, one of the other times you wasted bandwidth like that. And took the time and effort to respond. Others have as well. All apparently ignored.

    What's the point of people spending yet more time and effort reading and researching drivel like that, if you aren't going to pay attention anyway? Especially if you have no argument of your own, or point to make,

    a trait increasingly common among the climate denialists, btw. The "bare link" phenomenon has spread from the creationists.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Tim Ball? Ah yes. He's one of the clumsier paid shills of the fossil fuel industry. He was caught lying about his resume; since then few people (other than deniers) have taken him seriously. From an article about him on the DeSmogBlog:

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    But Ball can’t even tell the truth about his own resume. His claim to be the first Climatology Ph.D. in Canada is a total falsehood; his degree was in historical geography - not climatology - and it was nowhere near the first ever granted to someone writing vaguely in the field. It also was granted by the university as a doctor of philosophy, not the more prestigious “doctor of science” that Ball claims in these articles.

    He claims as well to have been a professor (again of climatology) at the University of Winnipeg for 32 years, while he confirmed in his own Statement of Claim in a pending lawsuit (look here ) that he was a professor (of geography, never climatology) for just eight years.

    Dr. Ball claims never to have been paid by oil and gas interests, but if you look here , you’ll find a Globe and Mail story in which Dr. Barry Cooper, the man behind Ball’s former industry front group, the Friends of Science , offers this clumsy admission: “[The money’s] not exclusively from the oil and gas industry,” says Prof. Cooper. “It’s also from foundations and individuals. I can’t tell you the names of those companies, or the foundations for that matter, or the individuals.”
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  23. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Are we really surprised that river vouches for this guy?
     

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