Is Hate Delusional Thinking?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by PsychoticEpisode, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. hay_you Registered Member

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    Yes that is true also.
    But governments use this all the time.
    Here is an example.
    Most people think killing some one is wrong. But yet when your country goes to war, for what ever reason. Then people think that killing some one is a good thing. To the point that even in the country that is a war, the citizens in that country that don't want to go, are considered traitors. And maybe imprisoned.
    So people will hate even ones from their own country because of their stand.
    Then governments also will make hero's out of ones that have done a good job of killing others. This is a total lack of getting the world together.
    So it is not just religion, there are many other situations also. For some it is just the want of power. For others it maybe a lure of natural resources of another country. Sometime is just because of pride.
     
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  3. hay_you Registered Member

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    With our imperfections, nothing man tries to do will succeed, to that extent. Because we don't work with or have such absolutes. That is exactly the point, man is unable to do this.
     
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  5. hay_you Registered Member

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    And this is exactly, what makes the world the way it is.
    There are some men with good intentions but what can they do?
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately it is up to mankind. There is nobody else.

    Science and atheism aren't religions.

    Hmm slightly disingenuous of you to omit the critical parts.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
    There is no set of beliefs for atheists, no observance, no rituals, and no "atheist moral code". (Which is NOT the same thing as saying atheists don't have morals).
     
  8. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, here's a Hindu account, equally mythical, magical and as unbelievable as any other:

    "Vishnu spoke to his servant: 'It is time to begin.' Brahma bowed. Vishnu commanded: 'Create the world.'

    A wind swept up the waters. Vishnu and the serpent vanished. Brahma remained in the lotus flower, floating and tossing on the sea. He lifted up his arms and calmed the wind and the ocean. Then Brahma split the lotus flower into three. He stretched one part into the heavens. He made another part into the earth. With the third part of the flower he created the skies.

    The earth was bare. Brahma set to work. He created grass, flowers, trees and plants of all kinds. To these he gave feeling. Next he created the animals and the insects to live on the land. He made birds to fly in the air and many fish to swim in the sea. To all these creatures, he gave the senses of touch and smell. He gave them power to see, hear and move.

    The world was soon bristling with life and the air was filled with the sounds of Brahma's creation."

    http://www.painsley.org.uk/re/signposts/y8/1-1creationandenvironment/c-hindu.htm



    Yes, that must make it very confusing to anyone reading biblical accounts, wouldn't you say?

    Of course, time factors aren't necessarily an important piece to the creationism puzzle. What is far more interesting are the explanations of supernatural intervention and the denial of evolution and abiogenesis in the face of facts.

    Will you be filling threads with such enlightenment?
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I'm sure that if I had been around in the late 30's in Europe and I killed Hitler just before he became Chancellor, it would have been wrong, especially if we never became privy to his later deeds. I probably would have been entered into history as a monster. Yet, give almost anyone a time machine and that would be one of the top ten things to do on most peoples list.

    But, would you agree that religion does in fact divide mankind?
     
  10. hay_you Registered Member

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    Actually there were a few more examples, but really they all encompass what religion means. It is the understanding of how we got here and what's it all about. Science does this by holding up all the scientific knowledge, they have learned , and they put their trust in that. Others through their study and research and writings, say there is a creator. There is really no difference. There are many religions that use a carving of some object and call that God. Others use knowledge as well and don't have a deity to follow but they follow the teachings of men. This is no different than science. It is really what you put your trust in.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, still wrong.
    Quite wrong.

    That would be philosophy, which is also NOT a religion.
     
  12. hay_you Registered Member

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    There are many religions and many ideas in science. Some of these idea of science don't last, there have been many missing links and frauds, that later research has found as not factual.
    Here is a dictionary quote on abiogenesis:


    this is really off topic, I should not there here!
     
  13. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That sure makes it difficult to acknowledge the concept of one god, don't ya think?

    Yes, useful ideas, such as the internet connection and computer you now use.

    Such as what? Please explain these missing links and frauds? They must be very important if they discredit science.


    And, here is a link explaining what you have disingenuously bolded:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?title=Talk:Abiogenesis
     
  14. hay_you Registered Member

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    Philosophy, is the interpretation you put on the evidence or knowledge you have. And it is this thinking that guides your life. This goes for religion and science, and atheists, for example.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Philosophy investigates...
    Keep trying.

    Atheism does not "guide" your.
    Nor, generally, does science.
    But c- for effort.
     
  16. hay_you Registered Member

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    Because there are many different ideas, or religions, doesn't make the existence of God wrong. It does make it confusing.
     
  17. hay_you Registered Member

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    Actually it does. If you learn that a creator expects certain conduct, from a person that follows him. Say a moral conduct. A person that says he doesn't believe in a creator, he may be either an atheist or one who believes in sciences answers, or something else, then you are free to do what you want. You may think it foolish to follow some moral code. Your philosophy of life is totally different than some one of a different philosophy from yours.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't.

    Also wrong.
    Morals have a biological basis.
    And are reinforced by society.
    NOT by some mythical "god".

    So you're claiming that everyone who believes in god acts morally?
     
  19. hay_you Registered Member

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    Then why do so many break them. You have to check every one now for STD's .
    Morality comes from creation not evolution. Why is it wrong for athletes to take drugs that enhance their performance. Evolution says do the best you can at any cost. Mortality says play fair, even though it may hurt your performance.
     
  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Why do so many believers break them?
    Because morality is NOT a fixed unbreakable thing.
    Ever heard of "free will" for one?

    Wrong.

    Wrong.

    Because it's against the rules.

    Wrong.

    Presumably you mean "morality"?
    So you're contending that atheists never play fair? Don't have any morality?
    Interesting...
     
  21. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    because we are just as messed up as the rest of the world......

    free will without moderation is a dangerous thing..

    do you really have to be so judgemental??

    so you think more rules will make things better?

    only the atheist that show no moderation in their dis-belief's..
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    In other words it's nothing to do with believing or not.

    As previously explained: when someone makes flat (incorrect) statements based nothing what's the point in saying more?
    It's judgemental?
    I suppose it is: at least I know a ridiculous comment when I see one.

    I answered a question. I didn't make a general statement.

    Immoderation of disbelief means you have no morals?
    Equally interesting.
    How so?
     
  23. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    true.

    these don't help;
    nice try..but a D for effort..

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