Is it morally correct for people to polute the atmosphere with rockets?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Cybercop, Nov 29, 2021.

  1. Cybercop Banned Banned

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    Balloons blow about in the wind , I should think it would be very difficult to engineer a stable platform for launching Rockets into space using balloons .

    I do see the point of why it is morally correct to research space travel now , so thanks my question has been answered .
     
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  3. Cybercop Banned Banned

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    Yes space is big compared to ourselves and planets for sure .
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You don't really need a stable platform . You do all the prep on the ground, then tie a balloon to it with a cable (obliquely, so that it's not pointing at the balloon). Then when you fire the rocket up, it disconnects from the cable and off it goes.

    The reason it has fallen by the wayside is because all it does is get you a few dozen miles closer to space. Altitude is easy. Orbital speed is not. The vast majority of the effort of a rocket goes into getting the rocket up to 17,500mph.
     
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  7. Cybercop Banned Banned

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    Wouldn't wind shift create slight deviation in trajectory ?
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Just like with a rocket launching from the ground.

    That's why rockets have adjustable guidance fins, gymballed exhaust and attitude thrusters.

    They're rockets, not artillery shells.

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  9. Cybercop Banned Banned

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    What other means of getting into space is there apart from Rockets ?

    What is morally safe ?

    I have seen on youtube these lifter things that seem to hover off the ground , is that real or fake science ?
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Why the focus on morality. Signs of a broken soul? Bro. Or should that be Jimmy?

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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well there's Magic Bean Stalks (AKA Space Elevators).

    Morality is a matter of opinion and a matter of balancing priorities.

    There is nothing that can get us into space that does not require a great deal of energy and resources, both in manufacturing and in launching.

    In fact, rockets are the least polluting method we have right now.

    We could build a space elevator, but it would be the biggest project ever undertaken by mankind, and would chew up generations of resources. At least, until it was complete - then it would become very efficient and cost-effective.



    A bit vague there.

    Balloons can lift things and hover.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    define a moral

    define a correct moral
    define an incorrect moral

    what types of pollution are "atmosphere" ?

    nuclear weapons testing

    how much should we charge the countries that have performed the nuclear tests ?

    they can put the fines money into my bank account for 6 months while they decide what to do with all the billions of dollars in fines

    i will keep the interest as a consultancy fee

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    i think i would accept a lower interest rate & have it paying out each month on a auto rolling month by month term deposit

    and everyone will be really happy
    and everything will be solved

    how much do you fine god for act of god pollution's like the japanese earth quake & Tsunami ?

    who does god bank with ?
    they must be nice
     
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  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Skyhooks, space elevators, linear accelerators, and air launch rockets are all options.
    Something of a meaningless question. Launch techniques are a technical, not a moral, issue. I mean, none of them run on puppies or anything.
    Was it perhaps in a Star Wars movie?
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i didn't know balloons hovered
    i didn't think about it like that
    they have no propulsion so is it still called hovering ?

    can it be called sinking or swimming or floating ?

    "floating in the sea" at depth ....
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    bit sexist in the children's toy advertising market
    almost all the pictures have the boy doing the action & the girl watching like a spare part sitting around being a gap filler ornament
    sad shit

    heavy lift air launch ?
    you mean piggy back high altitude launch from a flying launch vehicle
    or do you mean air propelled ?
    i would not have thought air would be capable of delivering the correct gravity range to keep material in its constructed form ?
    required G force to air pressure would render increased pressure to a higher altitude ?

    it would explode on ground level from materials weaknesses ?

    i like this picture

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    here you hold this part
    ok what does it do
    i tell you later you will see
    i jump on this part really hard
    is that pointing directly at your face like i showed you ?

    you just know after the screams & crying(and boredom)
    the leopard is going to be given a space suit & strapped to the rocket

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    (reminds me of some of the ridiculous risks i took as a child)

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  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    also
    you must factor in critical science needs like the fact those rockets are keeping global banking cell phones & shipping & trucking GPS delivery & earth observatory functions running

    compared to recreational uses
    rockets tend not to be used for recreational purposes
    so the factor of pollution efficiency is far greater on rockets side compared to pound for pound on other emissions & pollutants(as an over looked additional atmospheric issue...methane for one)

    & since i run the world
    i choose to have some paying space tourists blown up on their 1st flight rather than the much needed asteroid killer launch package that may take years to replace.
    its far better to test exploding rockets on space tourists for bugs & errors than on expensive technical critical payloads

    far more efficient & saves pollution & saves billions

    see... ! rich people have uses

    do all government military vehicles(including apc's tanks & mobile weapons) have emission control filters on their exhaust ?
    from my limited knowledge
    there is no engine that can deliver the same range & power as a high flow exhaust common rail diesel (new spec), say 7(?)ton truck with 5 ton load
    etc etc

    would be cheaper & easier to just ban all motor racing globally
    make them all race on yachts instead
     
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  17. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    ...and suddenly, vere 'e woz, .......GONE..............!

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    That was quick. Well done, mods.

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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    how do we build a space elevator to mine the moon & swap earth material on to the moon to keep the balance so it doesn't fly off & hit something important

    would make a great carbon sink zone,
    use solar sails to re-direct it back towards earth to stop it from flying away
    not sure how thats going to help with sea level rise

    but its nice to have a good rinse now & then

    soo much science yet to be done

    onward

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the Moon is flying off at about 4 inches a year at the moment

    Unsure if the stuff already left on the Moon is enough to halt / reverse the process

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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The recession of the Moon is not due to a loss or exchange of mass of either body; it is a consequence the Moon's tidal effect on Earth, speeding the Moon up and causing it to move to a higher orbit.
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for the info

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