Rav, I don't care. It's their religion meaning it could mean anything they want it to mean. I'm only interested in using the scripture to explain itself. In case you didn't notice, he's a Christian as well, so the same applies. In that case they should just accept what is said without interpreting the words in such a way that suit their worldview. But they're not interested in that. Also if God is Omnipotent, then every other scripture can be accepted on the same level. But they're not interested in that. That would be too easy. Thanks for the links but I'll stick to the everyday meaning of ''word'' and take it from there. As I said they are expert in their Christianity, and in this way they have become expert at interpreting it from a Christian pov. jan.