Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by francois, Feb 1, 2007.
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Until 1984 homosexuality was classified as a mental illness in the UK...thats right 1984.
Whilst, as I propose, homophobia is an evolutionary trait to avoid extinction, UK citizens are obliged by law not to discriminate and in most cases homosexuality is accepted as a cultural norm, albeit not a biological one in all cases.
There lots of gay and straight animals...so whats the fuss about?
gay converting normal straight to gay.
hmm a homophobic spurious spurious_monkey.
do I know you?:bugeye:
That would lead to extinction of the species...perhaps things would balance out when an equilibrium of a ecologically-sustainable population was reached.
I don't EVER flirt with or eye gay men. They don't turn me on. Straight guys do, and you'd be surprised how many are OK with a little action now-n-then. REAL surprised. Effeminate men are fine to party with, etc but they aren't masculine, what attracts MY attention.
Feeling threatened by a man checking you out, in a public place, says more about Francois's insecurities than it does about gayman manners.
If a straight guy is jogging through a local hip urban park wearing just running shorts and exposing his buff bod to the world I'll check him out and make no effort to hide it. If I see a cute kid working the movie concessions I'll do what any man my age would if said concessioneer was a sexy young female; Check it out when they turn around, then move on.
I don't act gay so I've been eyed by girlymen before and find it quite nice myself. Straight friends feel the same, the ones I know. The FEMALES I know are bothered alot more by lesbians looking at them
So, if you look good you get attention, from alot of people. Be happy you have looks! Unless someone grabs your ass or shoves his tongue in your mouth chill bro. We appreciate beauty just like everyone else, we just don't have a Hooters.
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Uhh, either you're homo or hetero. No one infects the other or there wouldn't be any gays. We're vastly outnumbered but apparently still scare the shit out of people.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Yeah...good point and it should be pointed out that many cultures have more than two genders...e.g. Eskimos have 8
"we're vastly outnumbered but appaently still scare the shit out of people."
This is just a self-depreciating myth...no homosexual should be victimised in my view and that applies to those who espouse a victim culture.
Victim culture? You're WAY outta date. That was the 80's dahling.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Gays LOVE their culture, it's the same as any other American's. This site overflows with threads about us and there IS fear, hate and anger directed at us www.godhatesfags.com from many directions, but we still here! Afraid to even let us get married! C'mon. My remark you quoted stands.
I can emphasise with your situation, being someone who uses science as a tool to explain the universe - I too am subject to this type of hatred...but I am not homosexual. What we have in common is that we are both human, I see homosexuality as just an entirely natural phenomena as heterosexuality or bisexuality or oninism. But I also think that aversion to homosexual activity is a biological trait and entirely natural too.
I think all the above is true in an evolutionary context.
By the way I have been to many events, workplaces and social settings where I have been in the company of homosexuals and bisexuals and heterosexuals and have enjoyed all without comparison.
What you say is true...there is discrimination in some places...my experience is of the UK and things are pretty liberal here also in the eyes of the law. I'm sure discrimination exists elsewhere and my point in introducing evolutionary psychology was to examine what the root of prejudice might be.
In response to the initial thread question: Is it wrong to be disgusted by homosexuals? I would say no (due to an evolutionary trait to avoid extinction) - a more revealing question is 'Is it wrong to be disgusted by a homosexual act?' or more revealingly 'Is it wrong to be disgusted by a sexual act?'
To say it's wrong to be disgusted by homosexuals is like how they used to say it's wrong to defecate or have a wet dream in the dark ages.
Ofcourse it isn't wrong, it's what your physical body does in response to gay stimulai.
I once was talking to this dude outside of a club saying my friends are weak for just staying inside after I was kicked out, when all of a sudden he reached for inner thigh.
I pushed his hand away and just stumbled off in a daze, before falling into a gutter and vomitting powerfully.
I'm pretty sure my drunkedness had nothing to do with it.
And I can touch inner thigh in a jokey way with friends, even dry hump them, but to think a real dude was actually hitting on me with plans for serious intercourse was the most sickening feeling I've ever experienced.
It's hard to explain, but no amount of open mindedness or tolerance could have changed it. It was a primal core reaction to the situation, my skin crawled and I shuddered and dry heaved well into the next day.
I also punched one of my friends in the face when they finally stumbled out of the club laughing in good spirits.
The USA is at least 25 years behind the UK and Europe regarding those that don't fit into the Christian Family catergory.
It is wrong to be disgusted by homos. As it is wrong to be disgusted by heteros. We are more than our sex acts! I don't look at straights and automatically think of them having sex. They are not a threat to me. If I see a hot guy it's the same as a breeder seeing a hot chick.
Be disgusted with sex acts (that reside in the head for some reason) not the person themselves.
That was a disgusting act. This person didn't just eye you or look at you a bit longer than normal, he groped you. Your reaction was over the top but I would feel the same way. I'd recoil and feel threatened and repulsed. (Depending on if he looked good or not.) Doing that to a waitress is just as disgusting.
I was gonna respond to this by saying it doesn't matter how you personally feel about homosexuals or homosexuality. But Genji brought up a good point: You shouldn't see two guys being dirty with each other when you see a homosexual man. I probably wouldn't say it's wrong, but it is highly illogical, and one would question how secure you are of your sexuality.
Are you fine when a homosexual man simply interacts with you on a casual, non-sexual level?
Read what I write two quotes down.
This is patently absurd, but to discuss this would diverge from the topic.
Why not figure you're attractive to them, and get an ego boost from that fact?
This makes sense. But maybe you should consider how hard it might be for them to make sure someone's gay.
This is not true of all heterosexual men.
Correction: It is disgusting to you. Some men take it as a compliment and experience an ego boost.
Why not? It's just as much a compliment from a gay guy as it is from a straight girl.
Geez, dude. We're all adults here. You don't have to talk like Beevis and Butthead.
Yes. Some homosexuals. Just like some heterosexuals.
That guy had no tact, it seems. Or he was really drunk.
For most situations, I would probably tell you that maybe the guy did have reason to believe he was gay. For this guy, however, we can just explain it away as lack of social tact.
Are you basing this off the incidence with your brother's friend, and that incidence alone?
The homosexual males who do what this guy did are actually a slim minority. I hope you realize that. You can't make a strawman out of homosexual men like this, if you are.
How do you know? How many heterosexual men do you represent? Don't you think there are some hetero men who do appreciate these compliments, for the very reason that it means the same from a man as it does from a woman?
That seems a little abrasive. Maybe you just worded it wrong. Maybe you meant when people ask you to have sex with them. It's stupid to say that gay men can't talk about sex amongst themselves (which is what your statement says, as it stands). If you don't like what they're saying and you can't reasonably ask them to stop, don't listen.
That said, if you meant straight men don't like gay men asking for sex, maybe some straight men don't mind them asking, even if they don't want sex?
At least you're somewhat reasonable.
Are people walking up to you and saying, "So check this out: This one guy came up to me and asked for sex, and I rammed him hard!"?
Well finally you're being specific about what you mean. At least you aren't claiming to represent all straight men.
What if you are?
You rank people giving you the eye above people dry-humping you? Maybe you meant "and lastly"?
You're a little illogical. Wrong? Other than where you're illogical, I wouldn't say so.
And again, exactly.
If there were such a trait, then no gay men would exist. Unless it's a genetic thing and these gay men simply lack the correct gene.
I ask for evidence that there's an evolutionary trait that prevents males from being attracted to other males. I also ask why you assume that if you're attracted to males, you can't also be attracted to females. I also ask why you associate lack of attraction to males with homophobia.
I ditto what I wrote above.
Firstly: They should bend over backwards? :bugeye:
Secondly: What if they don't want to reveal to other people that they're gay, and thus don't want to go around asking "Hey, do you think that guy would want to have sex with me"?
Ivan is a Slavic name.
Gay people don't want to avoid homophobes?
There's nothing stopping you from having such a pride parade.
I ditto what I wrote above.
I think some people don't feel an ego boost because they're illogical and don't realize it means the same no matter who it comes from.
I also ask for some evidence of this. I suppose I can't discount it, but it does seem to me outrageous to claim Eskimo culture recognizes eight genders, mostly because I know the claim about the many Eskimo words for "snow" is also outrageous.
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"Onanism"? The years-outdated term for masturbation?
Do the math, Athelwulf, if everyone were homosexual then humankind would be extinct within a generation.
"I also ask for some evidence of this. I suppose I can't discount it, but it does seem to me outrageous to claim Eskimo culture recognizes eight genders, mostly because I know the claim about the many Eskimo words for "snow" is also outrageous."
"Onanism"? The years-outdated term for masturbation?'
Which term would you prefer I use o-wise one?
i personally disagree with homosexuality (for reasons that dont matter, and i wont get into them), and i have been hit on by gay men on multiple occassions.
i have found that if you rebuff them with some humor, it doesnt go any further than that. gay people are just people like everyone else. all it takes is to treat them as human, and the treatment is reciprocated.
bottom line: dont be a jerk, and homosexuals will not bother you.
Hit the nail on the head.
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