Is midnight today or tomorrow?

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How does looking at a zero-dimensional construct "make" the universe be anything?
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn't make anything be anything....
    The paradox demonstrated is really just an extension of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.
    ....and forces one to realize that the universes existence relies on constant movement ( change ) which requires time duration to be greater than zero.
    The implications of such are really quite profound IMO.
    It suggests that the universe only exists as an outcome of a natural paradox ( re: ex-nihilo) . The paradox forcing the universe to exist as a way of resolving the impossible.
    That being said, it can be concluded that it is impossible for the universe NOT to exist and that the universe has always existed and always will exist.
     
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  5. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Dead thread walking.

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  7. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    It depends when the present is. If it is before midnight, it is tomorrow; after, then it was yesterday.

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  8. Speakpigeon Registered Senior Member

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    In fact, each point in the universe has interactions only with other points of the universe has they existed in the past. So, there's literally no universe, only points. Our notion of a universe is a convenient fiction.
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  9. Speakpigeon Registered Senior Member

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    Objectively speaking, the 24:00 mark is a material point, and measuring time would be impossible without a material point.
    If your theory contradicts the facts you know, then your theory is false.
    EB
     
  10. Speakpigeon Registered Senior Member

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    Good point. Just in time.
    EB
     
  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    since when is a zero point "material"?

    or

    How can a zero point be material?
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    The PRESENT begins today for archeologist for the purpose of carbon dating Sunday 1 January 1950

    Currently the archeologist PRESENT is 69 years old

    A better word for if you are referring to stuff going on now, would be NOW

    NOW is in constant existence regardless of Minions arbitrary divisions and trying to split it up

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  13. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Now has the potential to exist forever.

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  14. Speakpigeon Registered Senior Member

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    As far as I know, nobody ever observed or measured a zero-dimensional point. All we seem able to measure for now at least are material things generally, like coli-flowers, turnips and carrots. The 24:00 mark on a clock is a material point. If you disagree with that, please provide a link to a report of the scientific observation of it.
    EB
     
  15. Speakpigeon Registered Senior Member

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    Well, who want to talk to archeologists?
    Here is the present definition of the word "present":
    Present
    1. A moment or period in time perceptible as intermediate between past and future; now.​
    But I would guess it's basically the same as it's ever been in the past.
    EB
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Well no

    NOW is a concept

    A reference name to describe a moment

    It has no physicality, no detectable presence, no measurable aspects

    Conclusion, something which does not exist cannot exist forever

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  17. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    It has the POTENTIAL to exist forever. Should nothing change with the person in question, they may remain forever. However due to a person's will, this rarely remains so.

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure where the change came about person in question

    NOW = concept
    Concept = non existent
    Non existent = cannot become existent with a potential to exist forever

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  19. TheFrogger Valued Senior Member

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    Time DIDN'T exist until non-intervention. This gives humanity traction: a base from which to progress from.

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  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So I have lived my entire life in the present. I have no past.

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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    HAD a past, even if born after 1950, since 1st January 1950 is only a marker for archeologist

    TIME does not exist, period

    Arbitrary markers within a items life measure and its age and the changes which occur

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  22. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    The day starts at 00:00.
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Are you saying that mark 24:00 is not a zero point?
    If it has duration please provide the science to support it?
    Or
    How long does 24:00 last for?
     

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