Is there zero connection between String Theory and the paranormal?

[Dywyddyr]

I think that you are incorrect....

You can think what you like.
Do you have any facts to support you? No.
Do I? Yes.

and my guess is that you are fearful of what little Colton Burpo reveals about one of the higher invisible dimensions of space and time.

He didn't reveal anything.

To my thinking your fears are a little bit like the fears of people five centuries ago who believed in a flat earth and were fearful of the evidence for a round earth.... but.... I am biased due to my own beliefs.

You're wrong. You are biased. And you're STILL repeating the false claim that 500 years ago people thought the Earth was flat. You're apparently incapable of learning.

 

[Dennis Tate]

You can think what you like.
Do you have any facts to support you? No.
Do I? Yes.

He didn't reveal anything.

You're wrong. You are biased. And you're STILL repeating the false claim that 500 years ago people thought the Earth was flat. You're apparently incapable of learning.

I admit that I have lots of personal biases that are obviously based to a serious degree on the articles and books that I did read in my sixty one years vs....
the articles and books that I did not read.......

If you are up for it I am almost certain that some of your biases against this type of information may begin to decrease as you go through these articles.


https://www.near-death.com/science/research/science.html

Science and the Near-Death Experience

Spiritual Development Blog describes the situation best. Ultimately, all materialistic explanations for NDEs must fail because they cannot explain the paranormal components of the phenomena, such as shared near-death experiences where multiple people share a near-death experience, and veridical near-death experiences where the experiencer remembers verifiable information that could not have been perceived with his normal senses even if he were conscious. The Spiritual Development Blog has discussed these types of cases and provided examples on their website and elsewhere on their blog. Even claims that veridical perceptions are due to ESP do not contradict the conclusion that near-death experiences represent out-of-the-body consciousness and evidence for the afterlife because ESP is not produced by the brain and ESP during near-death experiences is best explained as out-of-the-body consciousness. However it is interesting to see how weak the materialists hypotheses are on their own ground. It shows that these materialistic hypotheses are proposed by people who are incredibly ignorant of near-death experiences. It says something sad about the current state of the scientific profession that scientists would make such reckless proposals without investigating the subject they are discussing.

Table of Contents
1.Scientific theories explaining NDEs
2.Near-death studies research conclusions
3.Events which can trigger an OBE or NDE
4.Scientific discoveries are coming from another dimension
5.Television-like technology exists in the afterlife
6.Computer-like technology exists in the afterlife

 

[Dywyddyr]

Nope. Reading that just shows how little attention to science the writers pay and how much they're willing to distort the known facts.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Nope. Reading that just shows how little attention to science the writers pay and how much they're willing to distort the known facts.

Or perhaps it shows how great your own fears of higher level truths really are?

I guess it is one thing or the other going on here?

 

[Dywyddyr]

Or perhaps it shows how great your own fears of higher level truths really are?

Show me evidence of "higher level truths". Until you can do that you're simply spouting drivel.

I guess it is one thing or the other going on here?

Like I said:
Do you have any facts to support you? No.
Do I? Yes.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Show me evidence of "higher level truths". Until you can do that you're simply spouting drivel.

Like I said:
Do you have any facts to support you? No.
Do I? Yes.

Good question.

Here is an example of one paragraph put forward by a guy who had a near death experience. My off hand guess is that a brush with death would tend to decrease our level of insight and wisdom..... not increase those abilities????

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people." (Howard Storm)

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

I think that that whole page is full of high level insights... but you will do well to process that one paragraph that I quoted.

 

[Dywyddyr]

So, essentially, No you don't have any facts.

 

[Dennis Tate]

So, essentially, No you don't have any facts.

Yes... but you need to think for a minute or to to notice that the following information can be looked at in more than merely one way.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8656524_Near-Death_Experiences_and_the_Temporal_Lobe

Abstract
Many studies in humans suggest that altered temporal lobe functioning, especially functioning in the right temporal lobe, is involved in mystical and religious experiences. We investigated temporal lobe functioning in individuals who reported having transcendental "near-death experiences" during life-threatening events. These individuals were found to have more temporal lobe epileptiform electroencephalographic activity than control subjects and also reported significantly more temporal lobe epileptic symptoms. Contrary to predictions, epileptiform activity was nearly completely lateralized to the left hemisphere. The near-death experience was not associated with dysfunctional stress reactions such as dissociation, posttraumatic stress disorder, and substance abuse, but rather was associated with positive coping styles. Additional analyses revealed that near-death experiencers had altered sleep patterns, specifically, a shorter duration of sleep and delayed REM sleep relative to the control group. These results suggest that altered temporal lobe functioning may be involved in the near-death experience and that individuals who have had such experiences are physiologically distinct from the general population.

https://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613(19)30312-2

Near-Death Experience as a Probe to Explore (Disconnected) Consciousness

Highlights

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  • Scientific investigation of NDEs has accelerated in part because of the improvement of resuscitation techniques over the past decades, and because these memories have been more openly reported. This has allowed progress in the understanding of NDEs, but there has been little conceptual analysis of the state of consciousness associated with NDEs.
  • The scientific investigation of NDEs challenges our current concepts about consciousness, and its relationship to brain functioning.
  • We suggest that a detailed approach distinguishing wakefulness, connectedness, and internal awareness can be used to properly investigate the NDE phenomenon. We think that adopting this theoretical conceptualization will increase methodological and conceptual clarity and will permit connections between NDEs and related phenomena, and encourage a more fine-grained and precise understanding of NDEs.

Forty-five years ago, the first evidence of near-death experience (NDE) during comatose state was provided, setting the stage for a new paradigm for studying the neural basis of consciousness in unresponsive states.....

 

[James R]

The short answer to the question posed in the title is "Yes. There's zero connection." That's if we're not counting spurious connections made by pseudscientists.

Basic String Theory, to my thinking, hints at a very different origin for intelligence than the traditional Darwinian model of Evolution postulated.

Evolution has nothing to do with string theory, and that includes the evolution of intelligence.

In my opinion.... a true "Theory of Everything" will offer a logical explanation for certain types of paranormal phenomena that does not exactly discredit them.

You're jumping the gun. Before searching for theory to explain paranormal phenomena, step 1 is to establish that there are paranormal phenomena.

 

[James R]

Science and the Near-Death Experience

Spiritual Development Blog describes the situation best.

How likely is it that anything calling itself a "Spiritual Development Blog" is going to provide accurate scientific information?

Ultimately, all materialistic explanations for NDEs must fail because they cannot explain the paranormal components of the phenomena, such as shared near-death experiences where multiple people share a near-death experience, and veridical near-death experiences where the experiencer remembers verifiable information that could not have been perceived with his normal senses even if he were conscious.

One problem with this is that appears to be no reliable evidence for "shared near-death experiences" or "veridical near-death experiences". But even if that problem could be overcome, it would still not ensure that "all materialistic explanations ... must fail". Certainly, the writers of the Spiritual Development Blog have not done the work necessary to rule out all materialistic explanations.

The Spiritual Development Blog has discussed these types of cases and provided examples on their website and elsewhere on their blog. Even claims that veridical perceptions are due to ESP do not contradict the conclusion that near-death experiences represent out-of-the-body consciousness and evidence for the afterlife because ESP is not produced by the brain and ESP during near-death experiences is best explained as out-of-the-body consciousness.

There's no good evidence for any form of ESP anyway, so they needn't worry.

However it is interesting to see how weak the materialists hypotheses are on their own ground. It shows that these materialistic hypotheses are proposed by people who are incredibly ignorant of near-death experiences. It says something sad about the current state of the scientific profession that scientists would make such reckless proposals without investigating the subject they are discussing.

Maybe. Maybe not.

On what grounds are "materialists hypotheses" weak? Which particular materialist hypotheses are they referring to, and what are the specific weaknesses they identify?

Table of Contents
1.Scientific theories explaining NDEs
2.Near-death studies research conclusions
3.Events which can trigger an OBE or NDE

Sounds harmless enough so far.

4.Scientific discoveries are coming from another dimension

Chances are good that this is almost certainly pseudoscientific nonsense, this chapter, before we even start to read it.

5.Television-like technology exists in the afterlife
6.Computer-like technology exists in the afterlife

Evidence, anybody?

 

[Dennis Tate]

The short answer to the question posed in the title is "Yes. There's zero connection." That's if we're not counting spurious connections made by pseudscientists.

Evolution has nothing to do with string theory, and that includes the evolution of intelligence.


You're jumping the gun. Before searching for theory to explain paranormal phenomena, step 1 is to establish that there are paranormal phenomena.

Or.. within fifty years it could be known that the behavior patterns of Energy from Quantum Vacuum may have everything to do with the true original abiogenesis that may resemble...."I think therefore I AM!"

 

[James R]

Within 50 years, maybe pigs will fly.

 

[Vociferous]

Within 50 years, maybe pigs will fly.

Boy, James, I really overestimated you. Seems you really enjoy taking easy potshots at crackpots. Pity. At one point I thought you could actually carry on a substantive debate.

 

[James R]

Boy, James, I really overestimated you. Seems you really enjoy taking easy potshots at crackpots. Pity. At one point I thought you could actually carry on a substantive debate.

Your problem, Vociferous, is that you don't bother to familiarise yourself with what came before. You just turn up and randomly insert yourself into existing discussions, before getting a sense of the context.

You'd be in a better position to cast judgment if you did the necessary legwork first.

 

[Vociferous]

Your problem, Vociferous, is that you don't bother to familiarise yourself with what came before. You just turn up and randomly insert yourself into existing discussions, before getting a sense of the context.

You'd be in a better position to cast judgment if you did the necessary legwork first.

Nah, it's not a long thread, and not hard to see the lack of effort you put into it. Or...is that an effort for you?

 

[James R]

Nah, it's not a long thread, and not hard to see the lack of effort you put into it. Or...is that an effort for you?

This thread does not contain the only recent interactions I have had with Dennis Tate. Far from it.

It's not hard to see the lack of effort you have put in.

Why did you feel the need to insert yourself into this thread?

 

[Write4U]

Or perhaps it shows how great your own fears of higher level truths really are?

I guess it is one thing or the other going on here?

Dennis, I think you'll like this movie "Frequencies"

It is an excellent movie with the theme that people resonate with certain frequencies and that frequencies are not always compatible. It is science fiction but has some very interesting underlying premises which I believe are right up your alley.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

obviously

Is there zero connection between String Theory and the paranormal?

simple facts are that string theory is not complete & requires significant scientific advancement to quantify its known variables as fact OR incorrect theory.

so the question can not be answered with absolute ability
thus the only logical rational answer is not a yes or no answer
it is "unknown"
"insufficient data to analyze for conclusive purposes"

my personal opinion is, i would not be surprised if string theory explained ghosts & hauntings
science needs another 2 decades to catch up.
though climate change may over take before science is enabled to get to that level.

how the modern world propose to move 60% of the worlds citys and population in 3 decades would require a lot of faith in the majority of current leadership(& populations) that simply does not care.

Does String Theory help to explain... but not necessarily debunk some aspects of the paranormal?

YES ! 100%

im not sure why your attaching negative lean to "debunking"
which culture are you directing to ?
Americans don't really understand what a debunker is
they think they are just a try hard attention seeker spinning lies to gain money & celebrity status

 

[Dennis Tate]

Is there zero connection between String Theory and the paranormal?

simple facts are that string theory is not complete & requires significant scientific advancement to quantify its known variables as fact OR incorrect theory.

so the question can not be answered with absolute ability
thus the only logical rational answer is not a yes or no answer
it is "unknown"
"insufficient data to analyze for conclusive purposes"

my personal opinion is, i would not be surprised if string theory explained ghosts & hauntings
science needs another 2 decades to catch up.
though climate change may over take before science is enabled to get to that level.

how the modern world propose to move 60% of the worlds citys and population in 3 decades would require a lot of faith in the majority of current leadership(& populations) that simply does not care.

Does String Theory help to explain... but not necessarily debunk some aspects of the paranormal?

YES ! 100%

im not sure why your attaching negative lean to "debunking"
which culture are you directing to ?
Americans don't really understand what a debunker is
they think they are just a try hard attention seeker spinning lies to gain money & celebrity status

In my opinion your comment is brilliant..... accurate... and truly encouraging to me !!!!

"my personal opinion is, i would not be surprised if string theory explained ghosts & hauntings
science needs another 2 decades to catch up.
though climate change may over take before science is enabled to get to that level." (RainbowSingularity)

Comments like yours RainbowSingularity prove to me that the time I put into these discussion forums is not wasted!

 

[C C]

Is there zero connection between String Theory and the paranormal?

An orange and the planet Mars roughly share a similar shape or outward appearance. So via the same standards for thought, various paranormal hypotheses may have espoused associations with any number of physics products. But the kinship is not reciprocated by the other party.