Islam and its factual claims

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So what if it applies to Christianity amongst any other similar religions? Why is that disallowed?

    He's targeting a set of criteria for criticism. What is wrong with that?
     
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  3. Big Chiller Registered Senior Member

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    @Geoff


    The statement isn't about condemning people though definitely not because it's between theists about a theistic subject.​
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Amongst? To wit:

    I'll answer your question with a question: where did he get those criteria? There were only probably thousands to choose from.

    I tried but cannot decipher your meaning here. If this is not condemnation, then why will people who set partners with God go to hell? Seems a little condemnatory. Sorry. :shrug:
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I still don't get your point. What crime exactly are you accusing him of?
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Crime??
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Not an answer.

    You could have continued with what you are accusing him of. That would have saved one more back and forth.

    So, what are you accusing him of having done wrong*?

    *better?
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong? He claimed it wasn't a reference to Christians, but it is. Do you consider this wrong? You could call the statement - or any similar - a little condemnatory, I suppose. That wasn't really the point, though.
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Objections to this:

    1. There is no 0 AD.
    There is 1 BC and after that comes 1 AD

    2. Even if there was a 0 AD, surely Jesus would have been a baby in 0 AD.

    3. Using a gas lighter in 0 AD. How is that historically feasible?

    4. It's a woman.
     
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  12. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Capt Kremmen --

    But if Jesus really was born of a virgin then "he" really would have been a woman. That's sort of how parthenogenesis works.
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That's just being silly.
     
  14. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Capt Kremmen --

    Well it is the only known mechanism for sexual species to produce virgin births. So how is that silly?
     
  15. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Within religious belief, divine intervention in the form of miracles is accepted.
    A scientific imperium is not necessary.
     
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  16. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Capt Kremmen --

    But wouldn't that make the belief in question silly and not the potential scientific explanation?
     
  17. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    If a miracle had a scientific explanation then it wouldn't be a miracle would it?
     
  18. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    I never said that it was a miracle. I think that if this story is anything but made up by later followers then it was a clever lie that Mary told Joseph. My point was that it's not necessarily "silly" to think that Jesus may have been a woman, but that the whole virgin birth belief is silly.
     
  19. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It's only as silly as theism: if you believe in a God, then no. If you don't, then the entire concept seems silly from the start. Practically speaking, there's no reason even to believe in a Mary or a Jesus to start with.
     
  20. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @Geoff --

    True, but one can accept undemonstrated things for the sake of an argument.
     
  21. Chipz Banned Banned

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    Of course there's a 0 AD!

    I don't understand, he was born in 0 AD, so what's the problem?

    They used to use kerosene, that's found in most lighters today (not gas). This seems reasonable to me.

    It doesn't look like one, does crack change gender appearance?
     
  22. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    1. No, there isn't a 0 AD.
    Find a single reputable link to an event that occurred in 0 AD

    2. Babies can be born with crack addiction, but they have never been seen smoking it.

    3. Just because something existed at a point in the past, does not mean that later technologies using that thing also existed.

    4. Yes, it does look like a woman, though I could be wrong.
    Whoever it is has fine features, not usually associated with the physically devastating effects of Crack.
     
  23. Chipz Banned Banned

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    Wow that sucks, I thought this was the only existing photo we had on record.
     

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