Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

Again it doesn't matter what Hitler said, nothing the Jews could have done was going to change what Hitler and the Nazis had already decided on.

If Hamas makes peace, and sticks to it, thing will change, Hell Israel started the Land for Peace, they made the with drawl. further?

There With Drawls from Palestinian land got them nothing from the Begining, and for every step they with drew they recieved nothing in return but kidnappings, murders, suicide bombings, rocket and mortar attacks, so why should they with draw any further, and why shouldn't they secure defense postitions to protect their Citizen and State.

And were is the list of resolution that the Arabs have complied with.

General Council resolutions have no force of Law, and Security Council Resolution can only be enforce if Countries are willing to supply money and troops.

For all the grand sounding resolutions what has the U.N. really done?

Blame Israel, and then nothing.

So the Resolutions are nothing more than Sound and Fury, signifying nothing, a demonstration of the amount of anti Semitic/Jewish bigotry still in the world.

The same old anti Semitic ideology, as expressed by the Muslims and Nazis/Fascist Skin Heads of the world, along with the Politically Correct, it's always the Jews who are at fault, the great Zionist Conspiracy, the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion,)

A proven, forgery, fraud, hoax, as well as a clear case of plagiarism.

Slander in plan words of the Jews, their religion, and their aspirations.

 

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"Mein Kampf"

'Again it doesn't matter what Sharon said, nothing the Arabs could have done was going to change what he and the Zionists had already decided on.
General Council resolutions have no force of Law, and Security Council Resolution can only be enforce if Countries are willing to supply money and troops. [Once the US had begun reinforcing Israel, this was no longer a problem for us.]

For all the grand sounding resolutions what has the U.N. really done? [We are now in a position of overwhelming military strength, our aspirations cannot be gainsaid, by a mere international organisation.]

Blame the Arabs and then nothing [can be directed back at us]

So the Resolutions are nothing more than Sound and Fury, signifying nothing, a demonstration of the amount of anti Semitic/Zionist bigotry still in the world.

The same old anti Semitic ideology, as expressed by the Muslims and Nazis/Fascist Skin Heads of the world, along with the Politically Correct, it's always the Jews who are at fault, the great Zionist Conspiracy, the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion,)

A proven, forgery, fraud, hoax, as well as a clear case of plagiarism.'

 

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It's doubleplus ungood.

 

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took what?

 

It, they took it back. This could have been done in a natural, peaceful kind of way as a gradual integration of refugees from WWII, instead of a need for those people in the first place, whose consideration was met despite the existing occupants; WWII created Israel as much as Israel has created a war, with its refugees.

 

And exactly what does all this psychobabble mean?

I think you are posting to hear you key pad click.

 

Ah, this must be a tripleplus not-doubleplus?

 

nowhere has any source that I have ever seen said that the palestinians asked the other arabs to invade Israel. they asked for them to protect them against the possiblity of a jewish invasion.

First considering the differences in population odds are the arabs made the investment into the fields not the jews. Secondly given that the partitation gave the land best suited for economic growth to the jews where were the palestinians going to get the money to invest?

 

And where did the Arabs get the money to make that investment? if they developed those farms in the first place?

That was part of the U.N. report of why they wanted the Lands developed by the Jews....

They didn't have the money in the first place.

It takes money to buy the land, it takes money to buy the saplings to plant to have the farms, it takes money to support the farm until the saplings reach maturity and begin to bear fruit, and the Arabs in the British Mandate, west of the Jordan didn't have the resources before U.N. 181 of after U.N. 181 to develop that type of agricultural resource, so they wanted it stolen from the Jews and given to Themselves.

When the U.N. didn't do that, they tried to steal it for themselves.

If you would care to check the maps and do a little research, those agricultural areas, and centers of Jewish population just happened to co-inside, overlap, now why would that be?

Because the Jews bought the land from the Ottoman Empire, and Arab owners, and developed the land, just maybe? Do you think? Hmmmmm?

 

Yep.

 

What invasion? The invasion of the Arabs into the Land of the Jews?

The Jews owned the lands that were their part of U.N. 181. that is why the boundaries looked like they did.

The Arabs, in Palestine west of the Jordan River started a civil war to throw to Jews out of that land, and steal the agricultural industry of the Jewish investment in that land.

They lost.

They then went to their Arab and Muslim brethren and ask for protection, yes they did, and also for their Arab and Muslim Brethren to destroy the New Israeli State.

The Arabs were more than ready to do so in the Name of the Pan Arab State, do you think the Arabs West of the Jordan in the British Mandate would have objected to Arab rule?

No...under Islam and Muslim theology, the Lands of the Ummah can't be under the ruled of Infidels, Zimmis,...(anyone not a Muslim), and that all land once under the Ummah can never become land for a none Muslim State.

So even before anything else in 1948, the Arabs and Muslims had rejected any Jewish State, on the Productive Lands or the Waste Lands, all those lands were Ummah.

So there never was a Palestinian State, an if the Arabs had won there never would have been a Palestinian State.

That is the reason for the intransigence of the Arabs of Gaza, and the rest of the Muslim World, the Ummah and the command from Mohammed, in Hadith that that Land is never surrendered to any other none Muslim Sate.

 

This was a mistake and has been publicly apologized for, and rectified. Honesty prevails. More than can be said for the Western media. Why the smiley face?

 

Your comment is exactly like most rightwing American commentary on this forum. In fact it is identical. There are more News services than CNN and AOL.

 

Most definitely. Dialogue should be the first order of the day. As Israel has not recognized Hamas (Democratically elected) as the government of Gaza this has been an issue. If peace is honestly and objective for Israel, negotiations could have been initiated without the old and tired "Hamas does not recognize Israel" mantra been regurgitated as an excuse.

These are discussion forums. Posters come in all shapes, sizes and bullshit.

That is a fair take Ben. Unfortunately history, and the events at play in Palestine today lay the responsibility of correcting wrongs at the feet of Israel.

No random violence is justifiable. As this is a an alleged "war", the rules of war apply, as can be seen from your comments above.

That is a very short sighted view, and is exactly (in a nutshell) why there is not dialogue between Israel and Hamas. This forum SHOULD exist, are you trying to clamp down on free speech and discussion? If you read SAM`s posts thoughtfully, you will learn a great deal.

It seems you started this thread in response to my thread. I started my thread to raise awareness of the facts of a genocidel onslaught of a defenseless population by a utterly superior military. The pot is calling the kettle black.

 

We all know that these resolutions were enacted without involving the Arabs and Palestinians on the matter. The Palestinians had EVERY RIGHT to ignore resolutions that did not involve their participation. Exactly, once again, what is happening in Gaza today. Hamas is not consulted in dialogue.

 

That is BS and you know it.

 

controlling trade routes.

more baseless anti arab/muslim comments from you. I have not seen the proof that the jews were the reason the fields were productive.

or maybe a far more likely scenario they bought it pre devolped.

 

What arab invasion of jewish lands? the arabs were in the arab section.

[QUOTE}he Jews owned the lands that were their part of U.N. 181. that is why the boundaries looked like they did.[/QUOTE] the jews owned 7% of the land and got 50% of it that makes you a liar.

First off you have yet to show that it was jewish investment. secondly they didn't want the jews out the just didn't want a jewish state. The fact that all the jews there were zionists and were demanding a state doesn't mean they wanted the jews gone.

Thanks to the advantages the british ensured the jews had with their policies.

more lies from the biggest liar here. The palestinians merely wanted protection from jewish arggression. they felt that Israel would get aggressive and fall like the crusader states.

Once again showing no knowledge of the opposing side. but than again knowing jack shit and claiming to know alot about something is your style.

irrelevant. the had ans still have the right of selfdetermination that arab and Israeli alike have denied them.

Wrong as usual.

 

You display a fanatical partisan view in favour of Israel, the oppressor. Vkotii seems accurate in his appraisal that you seem to have Fascist views.

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And since when did Facist support Israel?

All the Facist I know of hate Jews, like You and Vkotii, according to them the Jews are responsable for all of the problems in the world.

Both of you display a fanatical partisan view in favour of the Palestinian anti-semites, that is right out of Hitlers nightmare, remember he hated the Jews too, the same as both you and Vkotii.

His matra was the same it is always the Jews fault, seems that is your mantra to.:bugeye: