Nooo, you don't have any evidence. I'm not the one trying to prove the point. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! As I've read the Quran (calm down Sam), I know that to be true. There's a sizeable collection about Moses on there. But the hadiths are about Mohammed, and the three points I just made still stand. Even if you took the stories literally - and I think you do - the 'history' can be ignored in favour of a non-discriminating term. The trick is having a reformed society. Probably. Hehe - so I should believe in Moses? Even if he's being a shit? Are you saying, by contrast, that you take all those tales at face value? :bugeye: EDIT: I might also add that I didn't specify the Quran, actually.