Jupiter, Saturn, Harvesting Machines?

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  1. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    These two outer planets have among other unique features, areas that are at times at an apparent standstill with their surroundings, by virtue of their matched Orbital and Rotational Velocities. An analogy would be

    A harvesting machine that has grabbing means mounted on a rotating wheel, or band. This horisontal wheel or operating band, at the harvesting point, moves at the same speed, but in opposite direction as the harvesting vehicle, so that at the moment of gathering, the harvesting can always be done at an apparent standstill. The doubling of ground speed at the opposite side to the harvesting point, could help to eject the gathered material,.
    This efficient pickup of all the goodies from the field (solar energy) on that zero-velocity ring or band makes it the area providing the most energy, the crop, the "raison d'etre" of the exercise. . This localized energy potential being the driving force for the unique features, rings, bands on those planets. (motor driving the contraption using most energy, actually)
    Machines coincidentally developed not in the sense of Newton's Creator nudging the solar system once in awhile, but by virtue of the conditions already present at the Big Beginning.
    Details of the idea in the Science, Astronomy section, currently under "Jupiter--". Nebel.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    The answer to the question in the thread title is "no".
     
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  5. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks, should have chosen a better thread title. Only an analogy. Of course, compared to Earth at 1 AU, a stretch to 25 rarer for the crop in the field near Jupiter, and a 100 times thinner yield in the Saturn area,
    solar energy comes at a premium in those location, so:
    Efficient, no - loss harvesting counts, even if
    it is not to sustain life, but just to create interesting patterns.?
    PS: the unstated Alter native Theory being:
    Efficient local solar collection might drive sustaining of unusual features on Jupiter, Saturn, not just internal heat. Efficient collection via matched O/R velocities.
     
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  7. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    The "harvesters" are actually cutting a swath through the crops, the photons. We call such swaths shadows. spiral shaped. when intersecting called eclipses, transits even.
     
  8. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    It is not that a harvester, however efficient, can glean more crop (photons in this case) than are out there, but they can be concentrated to points on the machines where they are gathered, used to best effect. In the case of Jupiter and Saturn this happens on the area where there is already maximum solar effect, so to speak, on the High Noon line near the equator. There a speed measurement would show zero movement.
    A precise narrow beam radar aimed on the tire/wheel at the ground contact point of a record breaking car going >500 mph would still only show zero movement, like before the start. sorry to mix metaphors.
    PS.maximum effect of the tire on the surface is maximized at zero contact speed. Any sliding, squealing of tires, will lessen the impact of braking or acceleration action attempted (reason for ABS braking assistance)
     
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    Here are images as shown in Universe Today, apparently of the surface temperature of the bands, that is at the outer cloud layers. The equatorial regions are ~10 000 km further in diameter from the core than the poles (almost the size of the earth), and should therefore be cooler. but appear to be are warmer. if so,
    The Zero Velocity Zone could have an influence here.
    The polar regions have very active weather driven by internal heat, but
    Jupiter and Saturn are possibly harvesting photons more efficiently near the equator, because facing the sun longer.
     
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